[b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 88, Issue 3

James Christian jc.bhebrew at googlemail.com
Thu Apr 15 04:30:14 EDT 2010


Some of us who have gotten tired of these kind of annoying problems have
switched to gmail for participation in discussions on this list. Gmail by
default displays all utf-8 characters so you can view Greek, Hebrew, Arabic
script with no problems.

I've never really used Yahoo mail but notice that your email contains many
Greek characters and by your name and email address I'm assuming that you
have communicated with Greek characters with no problems using Yahoo mail?

James Christian

2010/4/6 Spyros Karalis <haghios at yahoo.gr>

> Unfortunately, I cannot see Hebrew letters in Yahoo mail. What can I do in
> order to be able to see them? Any suggestion?
>
> Spyros Karalis
>
> --- Στις Κυρ., 04/04/10, ο/η b-hebrew-request at lists.ibiblio.org <
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> Θέμα: b-hebrew Digest, Vol 88, Issue 3
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> Ημερομηνία: Κυριακή, 4 Απρίλιος 2010, 20:20
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>    1. dagesh forte and dagesh lene (Isaac Fried)
>    2. Re: dagesh forte and dagesh lene (Isaac Fried)
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> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:55:15 -0400
> From: Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu>
> Subject: [b-hebrew] dagesh forte and dagesh lene
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> Here are some of my thoughts on the Hebrew dagesh:
>
> 1. The dagesh "forte" appears after patax, xirik, qubuc, (segol). In
> my opinion, it preceded the NIKUD, and served to provide hints as to
> the proper reading of the consonantal text. It has nothing to do with
> "gemination".
> Examples:
>
>           ??????, ???????, ??????
>
> 2. The dagesh forte is not placed in the letters ????? nor in a
> letter marked by Schwa. in the latter case it is transported forward
> to become the dagesh lene.
>
> 3. Because it is otherwise redundant, the moved dagesh is kept only
> in the influenced ?????? letters.
> Examples:
>
>         ??????????, ????????, ?????????,
> ????????, ?????????
>
> Counter examples:
>
>        ???????, ?????????, ????????,
> ???????, ???????, ????????, ???????
>
> 4. The dagesh in an initial ?????? letter is a vestige of a dot
> that used to mark the beginning of a word.
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 10:36:00 -0400
> From: Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh forte and dagesh lene
> To: AMK Judaica <amkjudaica at hotmail.com>
> Cc: B-Hebrew List <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <D2C62B9E-9CDF-4B46-8818-FBFEFAF53D6D at math.bu.edu>
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> Methinks that when the NAKDANIM removed this ancient, initial dagesh
> (as the writing techniques improved and it became superfluous ) they
> left it only where it mattered. There are punctuated Hebrew books
> nowadays, for instance the Oxford Hebrew-English dictionary, without
> any dgeshim, except in ? ? ? .
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
> On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:57 AM, AMK Judaica wrote:
>
> > "4. The dagesh in an initial ?????? letter is a vestige of a dot
> > that used to mark the beginning of a word."
> >
> > why only these letters?
> >
> > kol tuv,
> > ari kinsberg
> > brooklyn, new york
> >
> > > CC: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > From: if at math.bu.edu
> > > Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:55:15 -0400
> > > To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: [b-hebrew] dagesh forte and dagesh lene
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are some of my thoughts on the Hebrew dagesh:
> > >
> > > 1. The dagesh "forte" appears after patax, xirik, qubuc, (segol). In
> > > my opinion, it preceded the NIKUD, and served to provide hints as to
> > > the proper reading of the consonantal text. It has nothing to do
> > with
> > > "gemination".
> > > Examples:
> > >
> > > ??????, ???????, ??????
> > >
> > > 2. The dagesh forte is not placed in the letters ????? nor in a
> > > letter marked by Schwa. in the latter case it is transported forward
> > > to become the dagesh lene.
> > >
> > > 3. Because it is otherwise redundant, the moved dagesh is kept only
> > > in the influenced ?????? letters.
> > > Examples:
> > >
> > > ??????????, ????????, ?????????,
> > > ????????, ?????????
> > >
> > > Counter examples:
> > >
> > > ???????, ?????????, ????????,
> > > ???????, ???????, ????????, ???????
> > >
> > > 4. The dagesh in an initial ?????? letter is a vestige of a dot
> > > that used to mark the beginning of a word.
> > >
> > > Isaac Fried, Boston University
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