[b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 88, Issue 3

Spyros Karalis haghios at yahoo.gr
Tue Apr 6 04:44:52 EDT 2010


Unfortunately, I cannot see Hebrew letters in Yahoo mail. What can I do in order to be able to see them? Any suggestion? 

Spyros Karalis

--- Στις Κυρ., 04/04/10, ο/η b-hebrew-request at lists.ibiblio.org <b-hebrew-request at lists.ibiblio.org> έγραψε:

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Today's Topics:

   1. dagesh forte and dagesh lene (Isaac Fried)
   2. Re: dagesh forte and dagesh lene (Isaac Fried)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:55:15 -0400
From: Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu>
Subject: [b-hebrew] dagesh forte and dagesh lene
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Here are some of my thoughts on the Hebrew dagesh:

1. The dagesh "forte" appears after patax, xirik, qubuc, (segol). In  
my opinion, it preceded the NIKUD, and served to provide hints as to  
the proper reading of the consonantal text. It has nothing to do with  
"gemination".
Examples:

          ??????, ???????, ??????

2. The dagesh forte is not placed in the letters ????? nor in a  
letter marked by Schwa. in the latter case it is transported forward  
to become the dagesh lene.

3. Because it is otherwise redundant, the moved dagesh is kept only  
in the influenced ?????? letters.
Examples:

        ??????????, ????????, ?????????,  
????????, ?????????

Counter examples:

       ???????, ?????????, ????????,  
???????, ???????, ????????, ???????

4. The dagesh in an initial ?????? letter is a vestige of a dot  
that used to mark the beginning of a word.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 10:36:00 -0400
From: Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh forte and dagesh lene
To: AMK Judaica <amkjudaica at hotmail.com>
Cc: B-Hebrew List <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Methinks that when the NAKDANIM removed this ancient, initial dagesh  
(as the writing techniques improved and it became superfluous ) they  
left it only where it mattered. There are punctuated Hebrew books  
nowadays, for instance the Oxford Hebrew-English dictionary, without  
any dgeshim, except in ? ? ? .

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:57 AM, AMK Judaica wrote:

> "4. The dagesh in an initial ?????? letter is a vestige of a dot  
> that used to mark the beginning of a word."
>
> why only these letters?
>
> kol tuv,
> ari kinsberg
> brooklyn, new york
>
> > CC: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> > From: if at math.bu.edu
> > Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:55:15 -0400
> > To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [b-hebrew] dagesh forte and dagesh lene
> >
> >
> > Here are some of my thoughts on the Hebrew dagesh:
> >
> > 1. The dagesh "forte" appears after patax, xirik, qubuc, (segol). In
> > my opinion, it preceded the NIKUD, and served to provide hints as to
> > the proper reading of the consonantal text. It has nothing to do  
> with
> > "gemination".
> > Examples:
> >
> > ??????, ???????, ??????
> >
> > 2. The dagesh forte is not placed in the letters ????? nor in a
> > letter marked by Schwa. in the latter case it is transported forward
> > to become the dagesh lene.
> >
> > 3. Because it is otherwise redundant, the moved dagesh is kept only
> > in the influenced ?????? letters.
> > Examples:
> >
> > ??????????, ????????, ?????????,
> > ????????, ?????????
> >
> > Counter examples:
> >
> > ???????, ?????????, ????????,
> > ???????, ???????, ????????, ???????
> >
> > 4. The dagesh in an initial ?????? letter is a vestige of a dot
> > that used to mark the beginning of a word.
> >
> > Isaac Fried, Boston University
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