[b-hebrew] names and puns

dwashbur at nyx.net dwashbur at nyx.net
Mon Oct 13 23:46:12 EDT 2008


Karl,
I can't speak for Gabe, obviously, but I'm gonna need a LOT more exposition on this idea 
before I can respond to it.  I agree there's no connection with the town of Shechem, but I 
don't see the connection with Gen 31:26, either.  More info please, my friend!

On 13 Oct 2008 at 20:49, K Randolph wrote:

> Dave and Gabe:
> Both of you are making an assumption that the property that Jacob took is
> land. But I understand it that the Amorite in question was Laban, his uncle
> and father-in-law, and the property was his wives, children and livestock,
> as mentioned in Genesis 31:26. Therefore the connection with the town of
> Shechem is completely spurious.
> 
> Karl W. Randolph.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, <dwashbur at nyx.net> wrote:
> 
> > On 13 Oct 2008 at 10:53, Gabe Eisenstein wrote:
> >
> > > If you are saying that the text has some different location in mind,
> > > which Jacob took by force, I find that very implausible. It seems much
> > > more likely that there are simply different traditions about Shechem.
> >
> > So let me get this straight: you're saying that, on the basis of nothing
> > more than verbal
> > similarity between a "shoulder" of land ("mountain-ridge" as Holladay
> > glosses) and the
> > name "Shechem," we're supposed to posit that some different tradition, in
> > which Jacob took
> > the town by force with his "sword and bow," somehow got stuck into just
> > this one statement
> > and then promptly vanished again, never to be seen in any ANE literature
> > again.  And you
> > find this more plausible than the idea that Jacob is talking about an
> > unnamed piece of land
> > that he actually did take by force, which the text plainly says is the
> > case.  Does that about
> > sum it up?
> >
> > Dave Washburn
> > "I'll hold the nail.  And when I nod my head, you hit it with the hammer."
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Dave Washburn
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