[b-hebrew] Need Help With Trope Identification

Brak Brak at neo.rr.com
Mon Dec 15 04:28:09 EST 2008

I'm currently wondering if this glyph in the text is indeed a NEW glyph, 
or just a different style for a current glyph.

Here's another example, which has a word with two glyphs, a meteg  and 
the mystery mark.

What's interesting is that the preface doesn't mention the use of the 

John Steven

"He who makes a mistake is still our friend; he who adds to or shortens 
a melody is still our friend; but he who violates a rhythm unawares can 
no longer be our friend."
-Ishaq Ibn Ibrahim 767-850 CE.

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you 
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

"The difference between the intelligent man and the simpleton is not the 
correctness of their decisions, but rather the cunning sinner can more 
skillfully defend and justify his iniquity."
- Rabbi Tovia Singer

Petr Tomasek wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 06:38:59PM -0500, Brak wrote:
>> Before I give me comments/responses I have to ask the question to 
>> Yitzhak and Yigdal:
>> How did you figure out from a very small sample of the text that it was 
>> from a Hebrew version of the Gospel of Matthew?
>> I am extremely impressed!!!
>> Anthony is correct of the exact text from which it is from. Its from the 
>> 1551 Munster (Quin-Quarboreus ed.) version of the Hebrew Matthew.
>> Yitzhak asks what I want to get out of the analysis of the trope. Well, 
>> at this point nothing!
>> What I am trying to do is to make an e-text of this work (using the CCAT 
>> format of course).
>> So I am wanting to know what trope the writter was making with that odd 
>> (at least odd to me) glyph.
>> So at this point I'm not concerned with what should be there - I just 
>> want to know what is there.
>> On one of the preface pages of the text (which is in Latin) it mentions 
>> the use of the various tropes.
>> Here's a sample image:
>> http://home.roadrunner.com/~pgj_k/example_3.jpg
>> (If any of you know Latin, I could post the entire preface).
>> As you can see it mentions Zaqef Qaton, Etnach, and Sof Pesoq (all which 
>> the text odes use). But it doesn't name the trope in question - which I 
>> find odd since its the most common one in the text!!!
>> So it this glyph a hybrid of tipcha and merkha as suggested by Yitzhak 
>> (which I find odd since the writter knew of the other tropes)?
>> Or is this this a new unique trope all of its own?
>> I am appreciating the feedback thus far, and am looking forward to more!
>> B"H
>> John
> If You would find more such uses, You could probably try to go throught
> the registration process on unicode.org to define it as new unicode
> character.
> If not, You could perhaps convince the people at sil.org
> to add this character to "SIL's Private Use Area"
> (http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&cat_id=UnicodePUA).
> However, this doesn't help much in encoding to thle CCAT format, so You
> would have to add an representation for this "new accent" to this ascii
> encoding as well.
> P.T.

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