[b-hebrew] FW: Meteg and Shva Na/Nah

AMK Judaica amkjudaica at hotmail.com
Wed Dec 3 14:54:49 EST 2008


rivkah, i'm pretty sure radak addresses sheva and meteg in his mikhlol (and chomsky has some extra notes on this in his edition?).another place to check is rasag (use dotan's edition). regarding pronounciation of va-yomeru, there is a debate over the nature of a sheva following a long vowel (forgetting about the meteg issue). our rule that following a long vowel it is na is apparently a kimhinan innovation (jeremy knows about this). from what i remember, rasag does have a *general* rule for sheva following long vowel. kol tuv,ari kinsberg> From: yodan at yodanco.com> To: yitzhaksapir at gmail.com; b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:05:06 -0800> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Meteg and Shva Na/Nah> > Thanks, Yitzhak. > > > > Do you know if what you wrote was also the view of medieval Sephardi> grammarians like Radak and others? > > > > The reason I'm asking is that Tanakh editions that use different symbols for> Shva Na and NaH (like Tanakh Simanim) specifically use a Shva Na (mobile)> symbol for the Shva in the example you quoted (e.g. Genesis 11:3), whereas> you say (if I understand correctly) that this Shva is NaH (quiescent). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rivka> > > > *********************************> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Yitzhak Sapir> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:13 PM> > To: b-hebrew> > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Meteg and Shva Na/Nah> > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Rivka Sherman-Gold wrote:> > > There seems to be a controversy over the use of a meteg in Masoretic> > > manuscripts. I know this is a complicated topic and not all about it is> > > clear and agreed by all. My specific question is related to a meteg under> a> > > letter that is followed by a letter that has a Shva. What is the> prevailing> > > view - that the Masoretes intended to use this meteg to indicate that the> > > following Shva is a Shva Na OR that that Masoretes did not intend to> > > indicate anything about the following Shva (even though in most cases this> > > happens to be a Shva Na)? Or are there other views?> > > > The meteg, better known as a ga(ya, has nothing directly to do with the> > following schwa. It generally marks secondary stress on syllables that> > are not otherwise marked by a conjunctive accent. Secondary stress> > may be marked either by a conjunctive accent, a ga(ya, or not marked> > at all. In any case, secondary stress is part of the word's pronunciation> > and should always be pronounced whether or not it is marked. A long> > vowel separated from the main vowel by a schewa takes secondary> > stress and hence may be marked by a ga(ya. However, the schewa in> > such cases is quiescent. For example: [vay-,yo:m-'ru:] -- more accurately> > pronounced [vay-,yo-om-'ru-u]. It is the breaking up of the syllables> ([yo:m]> > into [yo-om]) -- part of the cantillation process -- which allows [yo] to> carry> > the secondary stress. Ga(yot come of two types -- those on open syllables,> > "major ga(yot", and those on closed syllables, "minor ga(yot." There was> > more consistency and agreement between the Masoretes about the> > marking of minor ga(yot.> > > > Yitzhak Sapir> > _______________________________________________> > b-hebrew mailing list> > b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew> > _______________________________________________> b-hebrew mailing list> b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
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