[b-hebrew] Calm Down! (FROM MODERATORS)

biblical hebrew jcr.bhebrew at gmail.com
Tue Oct 16 05:40:22 EDT 2007


Hi Shoshanna,

I didn't address you directly when I complained about the recent racist
behaviour recently displayed on this list as I didn't feel it was my place
to do so and so humbly requested the moderators to step in before things got
any worse.

But for the record, I didn't find your insistence of using the term 'Isreal'
over 'Palestine' all that racist or offensive. You were just warming up when
you made that remark. Where you overstepped the limit, in my opinion (which
may be wrong), was were you insisted that evidence from Arabic language was
inadmissable and made a direct statement about the Arabs which could cause
high levels of unnecessary offense to a large group of people. There is not
one person alive who could claim to have a 100% knowledge of the truth from
Yhwh and while some are closer to that destination than others we are all on
that journey at our own pace whether we be Jews, Christians or Muslims and
the reason that most of us are on this list is to help us keep on track on
that journey as we explore the truth revealed to us through the hebrew text.

Arabian people have a culture much in common with Toral traditions and their
language can reveal much about the Hebrew language and I for one would feel
honoured if Arabian scholars participated in discussions in this list as
their point of view could bring great insights to the discussions we have on
this list. However, as long as comments of the nature I am referring to are
allowed to happen on this list I don't think that this is likely to ever
happen

I hope you don't find my objections to such comments offensive. You are free
to have your opinions about whatever ethical group you please. Just please
don't propogate them on this list and make me ashamed to be a member of it.

James Christian Read - BSc Computer Science
http://www.lamie.org/hebrew       Thesis 1 - Aleppo codex machine translation
http://www.lamie.org/lad-sim.doc  Thesis 2 - language acquisition simulation



On 10/16/07, Shoshanna Walker <rosewalk at concentric.net> wrote:
>
> I asked a valid question, and you didn't answer it.  It has nothing
> to do with zeal for my beliefs, but with accuracy re talking in the
> Torah's language, ie; Biblical Hebrew
>
> So I'll re-phrase.
>
> Why is opposition to using a name to designate the region described,
> lauded, promised and coveted in the Torah, which was not used by the
> Torah, considered politically incorrect?  Why should it be used in
> the first place on this list, which is supposed to be Torah based?
> Surely everybody knows that the term was first used by the Romans,
> thousands of years after the Torah was revealed in its present
> written form, in this physical world.  Why would it offend anyone,
> that I object to using that term on this list???
>
> I would not object if you used "C'naan", since G-d did.
>
> As was requested, our political views should not be reflected in our
> discussions, so I also am requesting that they (political views, ie,
> as concerns the name of this region) should not be presented, but
> just defer to Hashem's names for this land, (which He created) as
> recorded in the Torah.
>
> Shoshanna
>
>
>
>         Shoshanna, I for one appreciate and respect your zeal for your
> beliefs, but you'll have to make some concessions if you want to interact
> productively with a diverse community like B-Hebrew. The moderators are
> simply trying to provide a forum where everyone can expect a respectful
> hearing of their views, irrespective of who agrees or disagrees with them.
> Don't take it personally.
>
> Gary Hedrick
> San Antonio, Texas USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Shoshanna Walker
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:21 PM
> To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [b-hebrew] Calm Down! (FROM MODERATORS)
>
> G-d/the Torah doesn't use that term to denote this part of the earth,
> why does it have to do with politics to object to using it?  Why
> should it be used in the first place when talking about Torah?
>
> Shoshanna
>
>
>
> Members of B-Hebrew are advised that racist or political remarks have
> no place on B-Hebrew. This includes statements about the legitimacy of
> modern polities, and claims of linguistic superiority.
>
> It will be taken as read that innocuous references to 'Palestine' are
> mere geographic labels which make no statement about current politics
> in the Middle East. Members who insinuate more than this will be
> reprimanded.
>
> Everybody, take a deep breath, and calm down. Now let's get back to
> discussing biblical Hebrew language and literature.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> GEORGE ATHAS
> Fellow Chairman, B-Hebrew
> Moore Theological College (Sydney)
> 1 King St, Newtown, NSW 2042, Australia
> Ph: (+61 2) 9577 9774
>
>
>
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