[b-hebrew] Language, migration and Jewish identity

jason silber uzisilber at gmail.com
Thu Nov 1 14:42:11 EDT 2007


Karl,
ive heard that it resembles SW german, ive heard SE German and also
schweitzdeutsche.  then there are yiddish dialects like those of litvak (the
baltics) areas, which sound very different.


On 11/1/07, K Randolph <kwrandolph at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not an expert on either German nor Yiddish, but I lived in Germany.
>
> Of the dialects I was exposed to in Germany, Yiddish is closest to
> those spoken in south western traditional German lands around where
> Rashi lived. Just my observation.
>
> But this is getting off of B-Hebrew. What it proves it up to you.
>
> Just my 2¢.
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
>
> On 11/1/07, jason silber <uzisilber at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Doris:
> > Yiddish proves that Jews migrated east from German lands? Not exactly.
> >
> > 1) first of all Ashkenazim represent a variety of flavors of genetic
> > backgrounds.  Some arrived came from south of the alps, others from
> western
> > and (currently) German Europe, while others came from the Russian
> steppes
> > and points further east.  Furthermore, a plurality of all Ashkenazim can
> > trace lineages back to ancient Israelites.
> >
> > 2) there is a slice of Ashkenazi population that could potentially be
> traced
> > back to Khazar -- these belong to a certain haplogroup Q, with ancient
> > origins in central Asia, in the area of Khazaria.  many jews with such a
> 'Q'
> > marker in their Y chromosome signature are found in Hungary, but Poland
> too.
> >
> > 3) Ashkenazi Levites also bear a special genetic marker with origins in
> > central Asia.
> >
> > 4) as for Yiddish, Germanic dialects were spoken by assorted Gothic
> tribes
> > who roamed Slavic lands during the middle ages.  Germans also lived in
> what
> > are now areas where Slavic languages are spoken
> >
> > 5) also German was a favored tongue among many Slavic aristocracies. it
> was
> > a language of business.
> >
> > I wrote an article on the matter in the Forward a few weeks back; it can
> be
> > found at
> > http://www.forward.com/articles/11786/
> >
> > uzi silber
>



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