[b-hebrew] Language, migration and Jewish identity

Bryant J. Williams III bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Thu Nov 1 12:16:33 EDT 2007


Dear Uzi,

Considering that Khazar is in Central Asia, then conceivably it would make sense
that they were descendants of the Israelites who were exiled from the fall of
the Northern Kingdom in 722 BC (II Kings 18:11). Since it mentions Assyria and
Medea it would be a matter of time for them to migrate to Khazar. Would that be
your take on it?

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jason silber" <uzisilber at gmail.com>
To: <Dgahler782 at aol.com>
Cc: <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Language, migration and Jewish identity


> Doris:
> Yiddish proves that Jews migrated east from German lands? Not exactly.
>
> 1) first of all Ashkenazim represent a variety of flavors of genetic
> backgrounds.  Some arrived came from south of the alps, others from western
> and (currently) German Europe, while others came from the Russian steppes
> and points further east.  Furthermore, a plurality of all Ashkenazim can
> trace lineages back to ancient Israelites.
>
> 2) there is a slice of Ashkenazi population that could potentially be traced
> back to Khazar -- these belong to a certain haplogroup Q, with ancient
> origins in central Asia, in the area of Khazaria.  many jews with such a 'Q'
> marker in their Y chromosome signature are found in Hungary, but Poland too.
>
> 3) Ashkenazi Levites also bear a special genetic marker with origins in
> central Asia.
>
> 4) as for Yiddish, Germanic dialects were spoken by assorted Gothic tribes
> who roamed Slavic lands during the middle ages.  Germans also lived in what
> are now areas where Slavic languages are spoken
>
> 5) also German was a favored tongue among many Slavic aristocracies. it was
> a language of business.
>
> I wrote an article on the matter in the Forward a few weeks back; it can be
> found at
> http://www.forward.com/articles/11786/
>
> uzi silber
>
>
>
>
> On 11/1/07, Dgahler782 at aol.com <Dgahler782 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Shoshannah - this, too, may interest you. You probably heard the claim
> > that
> > European Jews are actually descendants of the Khazars. Well, since Eastern
> > European Jews spoke the German-derived Yiddish they must have lived
> > in  and then
> > migrated from West (German lands) to East (Poland). Had they
> > been  Khazars,
> > their migration would have been East to West and they would have spoken  a
> > Turkic language or dialect with some Hebrew admixture. So the
> > identification  of
> > European Jews with Khazars is easily refuted via language.
> > Doris Gahler
> >
> >
> >
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