[b-hebrew] Psalm 149:7 - Leningrad Codex Varient: Bal-Umim
Brak at neo.rr.com
Sat Apr 21 22:55:09 EDT 2007
Sorry about the missing alephs. I thought I had typed them.
I was wondering of the word )UM.IYM was related to the word "mother".
Now you state that L:)OM and I would assume you would also include the
words in question )UM.IYM and L:)UM.IYM is most likely not related to
)UM.IYM and )UM.FH
I was wondering why you think that. To my limited knowledge it would
appear that )UM.IYM was the basis for L:)UM.IYM and that in fact
L:)UM.IYM should be morphed as L:/)UM.IYM to mean "to people" or "for
people"? Or would it be some grammar thing in which the L: is doing
something to the word instead of adding "to"?
Also, I checked in the Aleppo Codex and it has BAL:)UM.IYM so I am
wondering is the LC the only one with this variant.
"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.
Peter Kirk wrote:
> On 18/04/2007 00:34, Brak wrote:
>> I have encountered ssomething interesting that I would like to share
>> and hopefully figure out.
>> In just about every Hebrew Bible I have has at the end of Psalm 149:7
>> but in the LC it has BAL-UM.IMYM
> You appear to mean B.AL-)UM.IYM . It is important that the aleph has
> not been dropped, and as the maqqeph (hyphen) is counted as a vowel
> point there is no difference in the consonantal text.
>> Now here are some things I found:
>> L:UM.IMYM appears in the following places: ...
> You mean L:)UM.IYM - it is important to be precise when we are looking
> at details of pointing.
>> Now this is interesting:
>> Psalms 117:1 - translated as "peoples"
> According to BDB there is a word )UM.FH "tribe, people", with Arabic
> and Akkadian cognates, found at Numbers 25:15, Psalm 117:1, Gen 25:16.
> This is from the same root as )"M "mother", and the Arabic "umma" is
> well known as a word for the Muslim community as a whole. There is
> also a Hebrew word (AM or (FM "people", with separate Arabic, Syriac
> and Akkadian cognates, with a root meaning more like "include". It
> seems to me that these are separate words with separate histories, not
> confused in ancient times when aleph and ayin were distinct
> consonants, although confusing now to people who don't pronounce ayin
> There is also a word L:)OM "people", which is probably unrelated to
> either of the above.
>> So from Psalms 117:1 it would appear that the root )M is "people" -
>> just like the word (M
>> So could this be a case of alternate spellings? Kind of like how
>> Isaac is spelled with sometimes a TSADI, other times a SIN?
>> So would L:UM.IMYM be translated as "to peoples", UM.IMYM as
>> "peoples" and hense BAL-UM.IMYM as "nothing peoples".
>> Any kind of input or ideas or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
> I guess that B.AL-)UM.IYM "not peoples", which refers to Gentiles, may
> well be a pejorative repointing of B.AL:)UM.IYM "in/among the
> peoples". Probably the latter is more original, as LXX (EN TOIS LAOIS
> "in the peoples", 43:15 and 149:7) tends to confirm.
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