[b-hebrew] A third in the kingdom or a third of the kingdom?

Bryant J. Williams III bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Mon Apr 2 14:21:43 EDT 2007


Dear A Becker,

Please sign your full name.

Regarding Daniel 5, it is apparent that Nabonidus is the first ruler and
that  Belshazzar is the second ruler (co-regent). Thus, for Belshazzar, to
make the interpreter of the literal "handwriting on the wall" to be "third
ruler in the kingdom" (vs. 7) or to be a "ruler of third of the kingdom" is
also no problem since both end up in the same place. It did take place for
Daniel, but the that same night, Cyrus defeated the Babylonians.

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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From: "A Becker" <ABecker at nerdshack.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: [b-hebrew] A third in the kingdom or a third of the kingdom?


> Greetings all
>
>
>
> I had a question about Daniel 5:7, 16, 29, specifically the Aramaic WTLTY
> BMLKWT) Y$L+ / WTLT) BMLKWT) T$L+ / $LY+ TLT) BMLKWT). Many translators
> render along the lines of "that he should be the third ruler in the
kingdom"
> (RSV) or "he should rule as one of three in the kingdom" (JPS). I have
> heard, however, that the Aramaic here could be understood as "and a third
of
> the kingdom he should rule" (i.e. not one of three rulers in the kingdom,
> but rule a third part of the kingdom). This is the understanding of the
Old
> Greek which has ECOUSIA[N] TOU TRITOU MEROUS THS BASILEIAS and Josephus
who
> has TO TRITON THS ARXHS AUTOU MEROS. I have also heard that TLTY / TLT)
may
> be an Akkadian loanword which, like the Hebrew $LY$, may have lost it's
> strict numerical meaning and function more as a title. In which case the
> Aramaic should be rendered something like "and he should rule as a Deputy
in
> the kingdom." (see World Biblical Commentary for TLTY as deputy). I was
> wondering what list members had to say in support of the meaning they see
> here and what speaks against the other possibilities.
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