[b-hebrew] The Pesach prohibition - baked, not leavened bread

Vadim Cherny VadimCherny at mail.ru
Fri Sep 22 11:03:19 EDT 2006

Shoshanna, you're talking of new words. Stick to the old language.
If hometz meant vinegar in the time the Numbers was written, then how could
the phrase "hometz wine" appear? You don't say, "vinegar wine." It is
"heating wine" (strong drink). Vinegar is a derivative meaning.
Any wine appears in fermentation. Is there any language which has a turn
"fermented wine"?
I suppose, as a woman, you bake once in a while. How about Hos7:4? Does a
dough leaven in hot oven, or is it rather baked?

Vadim Cherny

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shoshanna Walker" <rosewalk at concentric.net>
To: <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:02 AM
Subject: [b-hebrew] The Pesach prohibition - baked, not leavened bread

> The word chametz refers to fermentation, not hot and pressed.
> Chometz is vinegar
> Chamutzim are pickles
> Chamutz is sour
> Etc.
> "hometz" wine - is just simply grapes that have fermented, ie; wine,
> vs. grape juice.
> Why do so many people think that they need to "improve" on, or change
> the real meanings of the Torah???
> Do you think it makes you smart to make new things up?
> Shoshanna
> The hametz prohibited on Pesach seems to mean baked bread. The idea
> of leavening is derivative because leaven was often added before
> baking.
> The word hametz consists of root cells hm and mtz, hot and pressed.
> Confirms Hos7:4: bad baker doesn't watch the dough from kneading
> until it becomes hmtz in the hot oven. Dough is baked in the oven,
> not leavened.
> Nazirite should abstain from hometz wine. Hometz, presumably, is
> something that makes something else hametz. Wine - unlike beer - was
> not used for leavening the bread. Like another word for wine, hmr
> (hm-mr, hot and rising), hmtz here means "hot and pressing", and
> refers to agitating effect of wine. That makes sense of the
> prohibition.
> Hometz similarly means "violent" in Ps71:4, certainly not "leavened."
> The difference between Lev7:12 and 7:13 is now clear: halot matzot
> (pressed cakes) could be oiled, but halot lehem hametz (baked bread)
> are soft and break when oiled.
> Reading hametz as "baked" correlates with the tradition. Hebrews in
> Egypt prepared the last bread at least as usual, more probably - as
> festive bread to accompany the meat sacrifice. They had no reason to
> prepare the dough without leaven. They left in haste, and didn't have
> time to bake the bread. They ate the  pressed sun-dried cakes, a
> normal food even now in traditional Egyptian villages.
> Please share your opinions about that suggestion. You can read it in
> more details at http://vadimcherny.org/judaism/custom_pesach.htm
> Vadim Cherny
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