[b-hebrew] Answer to Harold part 1: b-hebrew Digest-angels
rosewalk at concentric.net
Tue Sep 5 18:17:56 EDT 2006
I did notice your second question, that is why I put in the subject
line that I am answering you part 1.
I need a little rest from the computer.
I don't see the Satan Job story the way you do.
Job 1:11 doesn't mean that Satan wants G-d to harm Job, he is just
telling G-d to test him.
And Satan doesn't have free will beyond that which G-d granted him in
this case - ok you can torment him - under certain conditions.
So let's just disagree, ok
>I don't understand why you use the word 'inspire'.
HH: Thanks for answering my first question. It's good that you don't
think God promotes moral evil. Satan is an evil being who contradicts
God when God points out Job's righteous character. He wants to inflict
evil on Job simply in hopes that Job will curse God. The Lord put Job in
Satan's power to prove Satan wrong. God did not exactly give permission
to Satan to inspire crimes. Why do I use the word "inspire"? It is
because the narrative makes it clear that the actions on earth that
follow Satan's leaving God's presence are steps Satan takes indirectly
to try to cause Job to curse God. So he was behind the Sabeans attacking
Job's servants and flocks. He was behind the fire falling from heaven
and burning up the sheep and servants. He was behind the Chaldeans
attacking the camels and killing the servants. He was behind the wind
from the wilderness that destroyed Job's children.
HH: It should be plain that this is what is happening, for God has just
given Job into Satan's power, and what Satan wanted to do was cause God
to hurt Job:
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and
he will curse thee to thy face.
HH: God gives Job into his power, and Satan starts touching all Job has
by his angelic power. This is his idea, not God's, and God allows it to
prove in the end that Satan is wrong: Job really is righteous, does not
curse God, and has a genuine loyalty to God even with all his goods and
family destroyed (except his wife, who acts disloyally).
HH: But God does not tell Satan to bring about murder. That is Satan's
idea. It is evil, and God hates murder, so we know it does not come from
God. Satan has a free will that he uses in contradiction to God's good
will, even if he acts with a certain divine permission.
HH: You may not have noticed my second question below:
>HH: Also, what is your interpretation of the "sons of God" in Genesis
>6:2? Who do you think they are?
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