[b-hebrew] Daniel

Harold Holmyard hholmyard at ont.com
Mon Sep 4 17:36:40 EDT 2006

Dear Shoshanna,

>Harold I am getting tired of all this - and it's only Monday.

HH: If you are too tired to participate on this discussion list, then 
take a rest.

>It doesn't matter (to me) that the first Christians were Jews if they 
>either misunderstood Torah, or didn't learn it, or started making up 
>their own beliefs, nor if you quote sources that are not Torah.

HH: You go to outside sources called the Talmud. They are later and 
Pharisaic sources. You incorrectly try to identify them with the God's 
word itself. You expect me to pay attention to what you say. You 
represent a particular Jewish tradition, the Pharisaic one. Other Jewish 
points of view existed in the ancient world such as the Christian, 
Essene, and Sadducee viewpoints. Ancient Jewish religious literature 
indicates these points of view.

>There is not one example in the Jewish scriptures where any angel, 
>Satan included, opposes God's will, nor of a fiction named Mastema, 
>who allegedly induced God to test Abraham through the sacrifice of 

HH: Yes, Satan does oppose God's interests in the Tanakh. The very way 
Satan talks in Job is insulting to God. The Lord is not in favor of 
murder, but that is what Satan inspires to torment Job:

Job 1:13 One day when Job’s sons and daughters were feasting and 
drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house,
Job 1:14 a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and 
the donkeys were grazing nearby,
Job 1:15 and the Sabeans attacked and carried them off. They put the 
servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

Harold Holmyard

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