[b-hebrew] Fw: Gen. 2:16-17 :: idiom or clumsy lie

Yonah Mishael yonahmishael at gmail.com
Wed Nov 29 18:28:27 EST 2006


Just thought it would be nice to include the text of Jonathan's Targum:

ומאילן דאכלין פירוהי חכמין למידע בין טב לביש לא תיכול מיניה ארי ביומא
דתיכול תהי חייב קטול

WM)YLN D)KLYN PYRWHY XKMYN LMYD( BYN +B LBY$ L) TYKWL MYNYH )RY BYWM)
DTYKWL THY XYYB Q+WL

Source: http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/searching/targumsearch.html

Of course, the relevant bit is the last part )RY BYWM) DTYKWL THY XYYB
Q+WL, "for on the day that you eat, you will be liable to death." Very
interesting.

$LWM,
Yonah

On 11/29/06, Vadim Cherny <VadimCherny at mail.ru> wrote:
> > On this day, you will surely die! But, of course, they didn't.
>
> They became liable to die. They lost the eternal life.
> Also, if my reading of the Gen2 account at
> http://www.vadimcherny.org/judaism/destruction_humanity_drought.htm is
> correct, they were expelled in utterly unlivable environment. Such change of
> lifestyle could be allegorically described as death.
> The turn is also encountered in archaic Russian, 'you will die the death.'
>
> Vadim Cherny
> >
> >
> > > And it can reasonably argued that the
> > > same is true of Shimei in 1 Kings 2:36-46. Alter, in his The Five
> > > Books of Moses, writes ...
> > >
> > > > The form of the Hebrew in both instances is what grammarians call
> > > > the infinitive absolute: the infinitive immediately followed by a
> > > > conjugated form of the same verb. The general effect of this
> > > > representation is to add emphasis to the verb, but because in the
> > > > case of the verb "to die" it is the pattern regularly used in the
> > > > Bible for the issuing of death sentences, "doomed to die" is an
> > > > appropriate equivalent.
> > >
> > > Interestingly, Targum Pseudo-Jonathan reads "for in the day that thou
> > > eatest thou wilt be guilty of death."
> > >
> > > What support, if any, can be offered for this rendering? Thanks.
> > >
> >
>
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Yonah Mishael ben Avraham
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