[b-hebrew] We and us

B. M. Rocine brocine at twcny.rr.com
Tue Nov 14 12:22:47 EST 2006


B-Haverim,

Peter makes a good point.  In addition, we may take note of third person 
being substituted for second in BH (and English?), as in 'adoni hammelek 
substituting for 'attah.

Shalom,
Bryan

Peter Kirk wrote:

> 
> Later, David wrote:
>> ... Helmbrecht demonstrates that the 
>> grammaticalisation of politeness distinctions in the first-person is 
>> from a number of options: nouns denoting "servant" and "slave" etc 
>> (Japanese, Thai, Burmese, Vietnamese, Turkish); ...
> 
> If the use of nouns denoting "servant" and "slave" for the first person 
> counts here, then certain registers of English must be considered an 
> exception to Helmbrecht's rule and so potentially similar to Hebrew. For 
> in English there is no politeness distinction in second person pronouns, 
> but in some registers "your humble servant" is used consistently as a 
> politeness related substitute for "I". And in fact precisely the same 
> happens in the Turkic language into which I am working on Bible 
> translation; in the register the translators have chosen to use, second 
> person polite forms are not used (as not appropriate in a historical 
> context, for they are known to be a recent innovation), but a form "your 
> slave" similar to the now obsolete Turkish usage is sometimes used in 
> this translation, especially where the Hebrew offers some support. But 
> then that implies that Hebrew is an exception to Helmbrecht's rule for 
> sometimes using `ABDEKA as a first person form, quite apart from 'ANI 
> and 'ANOKI.
> 

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