[b-hebrew] Daniel 11:22

Harold Holmyard hholmyard at ont.com
Wed Aug 30 09:46:52 EDT 2006


Bryant J. Williams III wrote:

>Dear Harold,
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>Correction on spelling of Ptolmeys, should be Ptolomeys.
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HH: I am used to seeing it as Ptolemy. For example:

Ptolemy I Soter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ptolemy was one of Alexander the Great's most trusted generals, and 
among the seven  ... The taking of Jerusalem by Ptolemy Soter ca. 320

Yours,
Harold Holmyard

>Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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>From: "Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw at com-pair.net>
>To: "Harold Holmyard" <hholmyard at ont.com>; <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel 11:22
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>>Harold,
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>>Mashiach is not used here in this verse. In fact, the sequence of events
>>promulgated by Daniel, ca. 640-630 BCE, is such that it describes the
>>conflict between the Ptolmeys and the Seleucids after the division of the
>>Empire of Alexander the Great (11:1-4). Judea was between a rock and a
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>hard
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>>place as the Ptolmeys and the Seleucids fought over control of the land.
>>Eventually, Antiochus III won out ca. 193 BCE. The rest they say is
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>history.
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>>I would recommend I Maccabbees and Josephus to be read in conjunction with
>>Daniel 11. It is most illuminating. Furthermore, it appears that Rome got
>>involved, when the "ships of Kittim" (KJV), "ships of the western
>>coastlands," (NIV-with note Hebrew- of Kittim) in 11:30. Thus, the "prince
>>of the covenant" would not be the Mashiach. The Hebrew reads, "begid
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>berit",
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>>LXX, "hGOUMENOS DIAQHKHS." BTW, eventually the Roman , Gnaeus Pompeii
>>Magnus, took over control of the land in 64 BCE. This brought to the
>>forefront Antigonus, father of Phasallus and Herod (later known as the
>>Great). We all know what happened after that.
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>>En Xristwi,
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>>Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Harold Holmyard" <hholmyard at ont.com>
>>To: <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:58 PM
>>Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel 11:22
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>>>Dear Shoshanna,
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>>>>NONE of these verses refer to any "anti-christ" - which is a foreign
>>>>concept after all, if this were a Christian book, the rabbis would
>>>>not have included it in our Tanach.
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>>>>
>>>>Verse 22 refers to the covenant that the Jews made with the Romans -
>>>>ie; they will also be crushed by them - this does not refer to
>>>>Mashiach.
>>>>
>>>>Verse 21 refers to the Roman Empire, not to an "anti- christ"
>>>>("contemptible one" = Roman empire)
>>>>
>>>>Verse 20:  The Hashmonean Dynasty will succeed Antiochus in
>>>>Jerusalem, but it will eventually fall as a result of a battle of
>>>>succession between the two brothers, Aristobulos and Hyrcanus.
>>>>
>>>>Verse 23:  By signing a "holy covenant" of friendship (see verses 28,
>>>>30) with the Hashmoneans, Rome will be able to conquer the countries
>>>>surrounding the Land of Israel without fear of Hashmonean
>>>>Intervention.
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>>>>
>>>>PLEASE don't put foreign doctrine into our scripture, where it does not
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>>exist.
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>>>HH: You may not realize this, but Christ is the English form of the
>>>Greek word Cristos, which means "anointed one" and is the Greek
>>>equivalent of Messiah (meshiach). The antichrist is the one is who is
>>>against Christ, or who imitates Christ as a pretender.
>>>
>>>Yours,
>>>Harold Holmyard
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