[b-hebrew] 5 scrolls or 1

Yigal Levin leviny1 at mail.biu.ac.il
Sat Aug 20 20:43:02 EDT 2005


The "regulations" all appear in rabbinic literature, written, at the
earliest, in the second century CE. By then, we can assume, the Torah was
written (at least in some circles) on a single scroll like it is today, and
the tradition of Mosaic authorship of the whole Torah was firmly established
(in fact, it is assumed by Josephus and Philo).

Yigal


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sujata" <shevaroys at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] 5 scrolls or 1


> When tradition says it was a single scroll, unless
> there is hard evidence that it was written in multiple
> scrolls,   why should a researcher's "assumptions" be
> taken seriously.
>
> Are there not regulations on how many columns a
> pentateuch scroll should contain? Would that not
> suggest a single scroll?
>
> Best wishes,
> Sujata
>
>
>
> Jim West wrote:
>
> well yes there is.  unless we suppose that the author
> of genesis is
> also
> the author of exodus is also the author of leviticus
> and that he wrote
> them all out on one scroll and that example was
> followed from that time
> onward.  these books were, at some point, just single
> books or
> fragments
> of books, correct?
>
>
>  or are you suggesting that they were written in
> huge
> multi book chunks?  even given the length of the
> deuteronomistic
> history
> (a multi volume "work", if you will) it is so
> extensive that no one can
> suppose, can they, that it was originally a one scroll
> composition.
>
> Only the 3-fold method in Qumran and the 5 fold method
> > known from Qumran, modern Jewish tradition, as well
> as the
> > Septuagint.
>
> positing ancient reality from fragmentary examples and
> modern practice
> seems a bit hazardous.  what we need is hard evidence.
>
> >
> > I have also received the following in reference to
> your mention of
> Tov's book
> > and the "five scrolls" from Carla Sulzbach:  "I
> checked my copy, and
> indeed,
> > on p. 4 he speaks of Five Megillot. However, that is
> in a section on
> the order
> > of the books in the "Hagiographa", the Ketuvim, and
> ... he does not
> refer to
> > Torah scrolls, five or any other number, but to Shir
> ha-Shirim, Ruth,
> Eicha,
> > etc."  I don't know.  In the Hebrew edition, he
> doesn't seem to
> discuss
> > methods of order of the books at all, at least not
> where I could see
> it, so
> > perhaps it is an addition in the English version.
>
> Well whoever added it didnt do a very good job of
> being clear.
>
> best
>
> jim
>
>
> -- 
> Jim West, ThD
>
>
>
>
>
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