[b-hebrew] YHWH pronunciation

Read, James C K0434995 at kingston.ac.uk
Mon Aug 1 09:42:16 EDT 2005

Er Steven. I think you are mixing me up with someone else. I haven't dismissed 
any of the evidence you have provided and have been among those very interested 
in it and found the new evidence very welcoming.
If I made any questions about it, it was only so that I could be absolutely sure  
of its authenticity before using it in future debates on the subject.
However, I am still a little reluctant to put full stock in it because there is 
no way we can conclusively prove that their assertion that missionaries brought 
the pronunciation are unfounded. Although, I am personally almost convinced by 
your arguments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Segall [mailto:segall at umich.edu]
Sent: Mon 8/1/2005 2:33 PM
To: Jack Kilmon
Cc: Read, James C; b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH pronunciation
As I stated in a previous e-mail, the pronunciations were written down by 
native English speakers in the English alphabet before the invention of a 
Cherokee alphabet. These native English speakers lived among the Cherokee 
and spoke their language. The pronunciation has been preserved by native 
Cherokees to this day, but the earlier pronunciation may be more reliable 
as being closer to the original.

The hypothesis that this pronunciation was given to the Cherokees by 
missionaries does not hold up because the legends of the Cherokee religion 
do not include any reference to Jesus, which certainly would have been the 
case if the source were missionaries.

With regard to James Read dismissing the reference and website I sited as 
a source of information, I would say you can't judge a book by its title, 
and the remark was quite arrogant and inappropriate. The website was 
www.etzhaimpress.com and you can judge for yourself.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, Jack Kilmon wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Read, James C" <K0434995 at kingston.ac.uk>
> To: "Stephen Segall" <segall at umich.edu>
> Cc: <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH pronunciation
>> What alphabet are these pronunciations based on? Can you
>> provide images?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Segall [mailto:segall at umich.edu]
>> Sent: Wed 7/27/2005 9:51 PM
>> To: Read, James C
>> Cc: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: RE: YHWH pronunciation
>> The pronunciation was based on diaries kept by traders who lived with the
>> Cherokees for decades and detailed their customs and religion.
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Read, James C wrote:
> The Bible was translated and printed in Cherokee using the Sequoian 
> syllabulary in 1825.
> http://www.manataka.org/page81.html
> Jack 

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