[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: oppression?
unikom at paco.net
Wed May 26 15:17:04 EDT 2004
I cannot imagine any other name for your exercise than "wild speculation."
Whom else Ps107:39 refers to if not princes?
Where did you find the meaning of otzer as "coercive?"
Why me is instrumental, when its standard meaning is "from"?
>(2) "from [in the sense of "after," see BDB 581]
arrest and judgment."<
Close enough. So you wouldn't defend the "oppression" reading? Good...
BTW, mishpat is not judgment, but the process of judging.
> >How about otzer?
> >The translation of confinement (otzer, vs8) as oppression is
> >unwarranted. The word is also translated thus in Psalm 107:39, which
> >is clearly wrong in relation to the princes mentioned there.
> HH: The princes are not even mentioned until the following verse, so
> Ps 107:39 does not have to concern princes.
> > Rulers can be pressed (surrounded and wander in wastes) but not
> >oppressed. In the only other instance, Proverbs 30:16, the same word
> >refers to barren [womb], also a closed place, confinement. Because
> >of (from) oppression he was taken is also meaningless, unless we
> >assume he was taken from this world of oppression to the heavenly
> >kingdom; but Isaiah does not profess resurrection. In the Tanach,
> >taken [by God] is used only with Enoch and Elijah, and seems too
> >high-flown considering the writer's attitude toward his subject.
> >Further, this reading is not congruent with his soul was exposed to
> HH: A translation note from the NET Bible says this:
> tn The precise meaning of this line is uncertain. The translation
> above assumes that /m here has an instrumental sense, "by, through,"
> and understands otzer umishpat , "coercion and legal decision," as a
> hendiadys meaning "coercive legal decision." Other interpretive
> options include: (1) "without [for this sense of /m, see BDB 578]
> hindrance and proper judicial process," i.e., "unfairly and with no
> one to defend him," (2) "from [in the sense of "after," see BDB 581]
> arrest and judgment."
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