[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53 read within the book as a whole

Lisbeth S. Fried lizfried at umich.edu
Fri May 21 13:23:45 EDT 2004


Well, it was the rabbis who suggest it.
I don't know. You could be right, but they could be right too.
You'd have to prove that he actually died tho. 
Liz


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> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of UUC
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:47 PM
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> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53 read within the book as a whole
> 
> Dear Liz,
> 
> Ps116 refers to death, see verse 3. Lands of the living is 
> just what is said, life.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Vadim
> 
> 
> 
> > > Do you know where the land of the living is employed as a 
> metaphor 
> > > for the territory?
> > I know of Psalm 137:4 (where YHWH"s songs cannot be sung since they 
> > are in a foreign land) which can be compared to Psalm 116:9 (where 
> > YHWH's songs can be sung because they are in the land of 
> the living).
> > The Rabbis Rashi and Redak interpret "the land of the living"
> > in Isaiah 53 to be Judah and Jerusalem so I agree with them in this 
> > instance.
> > Best,
> > Liz
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Vadim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Israel had suffered double for all her sins by the exile.
> > > > Deuetero Isaiah preached that the time of forgiveness had
> > > dawned and
> > > > that it was time to return home. The  pathway for our god
> > > across the
> > > > desert which was the return of YHWH to Zion which all the
> > > world could
> > > > see was the ret urn of the temple vessels (Isiah 52) from
> > > Babylon, the
> > > > temple of Marduk where they had been, to Zion and the
> > > rebuilt temple.
> > > > That is what Second Isaiah is about, the return of the Jews to 
> > > > Zion rebuilt. The climax is Isaiah 52. The one spoken 
> of in Isaiha
> > > > 53 was cut off from the land of the living, that is, he
> > > didn't get to
> > > > return, but he had enabled the return somehow.
> > > > Liz Fried
> > > > A2
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > > [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Harold R.
> > > > > Holmyard III
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:54 PM
> > > > > To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53 read within the book as a 
> > > > > whole
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear David,
> > > > >
> > > > > I like this idea that Isaiah 53 explains how Israel
> > > received double
> > > > > for all her sins, and I will have to try and read Isaiah
> > > that way to
> > > > > see if it works.  I have always understood double to 
> imply that 
> > > > > Israel had been punished twice as much as she had sinned.
> > > And much
> > > > > in Scripture suggests Israel will be punished terribly before 
> > > > > ultimate peace and victory comes.
> > > > > So while I accept all that you said and am grateful that you 
> > > > > said it, the words of Isaiah 40 still seem enigmatic.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours,
> > > > > Harold Holmyard
> > > > >
> > > > > >To this situation a surprising twist is
> > > > > >introduced: exile is announced (39:5-7) and then it is to
> > > > > end (40:1-2)!
> > > > > >The surprise is that their iniquity has been atoned for, yet 
> > > > > >nirstah creates an uncertainty about how this has
> > > occurred, i.e. is
> > > > > the niphal
> > > > > >reflexive or passive? An ambiguity is introduced, 
> fanned by the 
> > > > > >ambiguous dual kiplayim. In what way has Jerusalem 
> received an 
> > > > > >"equivalent" punishment for so many years rebellious 
> years--for 
> > > > > >judgement is proclaimed then quickly announced as 
> complete? All 
> > > > > >this "good news" they are to herald (40:9), yet how this has 
> > > > > >been
> > > > > achieved
> > > > > >is hidden by nirstah.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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