[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53 read within the book as a whole

UUC unikom at paco.net
Fri May 21 12:47:20 EDT 2004


Dear Liz,

Ps116 refers to death, see verse 3. Lands of the living is just what is
said, life.


Best regards,

Vadim



> > Do you know where the land of the living is employed as a
> > metaphor for the territory?
> I know of Psalm 137:4 (where YHWH"s songs
> cannot be sung since they are in a foreign land)
> which can be compared to Psalm 116:9 (where YHWH's songs
> can be sung because they are in the land of the living).
> The Rabbis Rashi and Redak interpret "the land of the living"
> in Isaiah 53 to be Judah and Jerusalem so I agree with them
> in this instance.
> Best,
> Liz
>
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Vadim
> >
> >
> >
> > > Israel had suffered double for all her sins by the exile.
> > > Deuetero Isaiah preached that the time of forgiveness had
> > dawned and
> > > that it was time to return home. The  pathway for our god
> > across the
> > > desert which was the return of YHWH to Zion which all the
> > world could
> > > see was the ret urn of the temple vessels (Isiah 52) from
> > Babylon, the
> > > temple of Marduk where they had been, to Zion and the
> > rebuilt temple.
> > > That is what Second Isaiah is about, the return of the Jews to Zion
> > > rebuilt. The climax is Isaiah 52. The one spoken of in Isaiha
> > > 53 was cut off from the land of the living, that is, he
> > didn't get to
> > > return, but he had enabled the return somehow.
> > > Liz Fried
> > > A2
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> > Harold R.
> > > > Holmyard III
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:54 PM
> > > > To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53 read within the book as a whole
> > > >
> > > > Dear David,
> > > >
> > > > I like this idea that Isaiah 53 explains how Israel
> > received double
> > > > for all her sins, and I will have to try and read Isaiah
> > that way to
> > > > see if it works.  I have always understood double to imply that
> > > > Israel had been punished twice as much as she had sinned.
> > And much
> > > > in Scripture suggests Israel will be punished terribly before
> > > > ultimate peace and victory comes.
> > > > So while I accept all that you said and am grateful that you said
> > > > it, the words of Isaiah 40 still seem enigmatic.
> > > >
> > > > Yours,
> > > > Harold Holmyard
> > > >
> > > > >To this situation a surprising twist is
> > > > >introduced: exile is announced (39:5-7) and then it is to
> > > > end (40:1-2)!
> > > > >The surprise is that their iniquity has been atoned for, yet
> > > > >nirstah creates an uncertainty about how this has
> > occurred, i.e. is
> > > > the niphal
> > > > >reflexive or passive? An ambiguity is introduced, fanned by the
> > > > >ambiguous dual kiplayim. In what way has Jerusalem received an
> > > > >"equivalent" punishment for so many years rebellious years--for
> > > > >judgement is proclaimed then quickly announced as complete? All
> > > > >this "good news" they are to herald (40:9), yet how this has been
> > > > achieved
> > > > >is hidden by nirstah.
> > > >
> > > >
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