[b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect? Psalm 107

UUC unikom at paco.net
Thu May 20 15:57:11 EDT 2004


Dear Philip,

Wouldn't you agree on the irregular use of the prepositions? Why not the
same with verbs?
If the rule works in 90% cases,  the balance are likely the errors.


Sincerely,

Vadim Cherny



> This strikes me as a fine case of assuming that the normal use(s) of a
given
> verb form are the "correct" grammar, and the exceptions are errors. This
is
> certainly an unwarranted assumption, particularly in light of the fact
that
> these "scribal errors" are normally not corrected in any Heb. mss we have,
> but are regarded as an accurate transmission of the received text.
>
> Regards,
>
> Philip Brown
> Cincinnati, OH
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of UUC
> > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:33 AM
> > To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect? Psalm 107
> >
> >
> > Dear Ken,
> >
> > Tanakhic grammar is not always strict.
> > There is a certain percentage of incorrect or loose usage of
> > prepositions -
> > and, certainly, of the verb tenses. I guess you would encounter about
the
> > same ratio of errors both in the simple tenses in in wa's and we's.
These
> > are the scribal errors, not refutation of the tenses. I don't
> > think medieval
> > English always uses tenses correctly, but you won't argue on existense
of
> > tenses there.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Vadim Cherny
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am I understanding you correctly, Liz, that you think in Biblical
Hebrew
> > > QATALs and WAYYIQTOLs are always absolute past (the event precedes the
> > > speech), and YIQTOLs and WEQATALs are always future or jussive
> > (the speech
> > > precedes the event)?
> > >
> > > Ken Penner, M.C.S. (Biblical Languages, Greek Focus), M.A.
> > (Hebrew Poetry)
> > > Ph.D. (cand.), McMaster University
> > > pennerkm at mcmaster.ca
> > > Hebrew vocabulary software: http://s91279732.onlinehome.us/flash or
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flash_pro/join
> > >
> > > > I don't see a problem in the psalm. I would translate the
> > > > verbs the way
> > > > I always do: The WAYYIKTOBs, and KATABs are narrative past, the
> > > > YIKTOBs, WEYIKTOBs are either future or jussive.
> > >
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