[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: in his death?

UUC unikom at paco.net
Wed May 19 03:13:07 EDT 2004


Dear Dan,

This is basically the same as NIV, so the same argument:
the turn "in his death" is non-existent in Hebrew
There is a supposed parallelism: grave with wicked, death with
rich, but NIV seemingly refers "in his death" to both parts:
(in his death) (he was assigned a grave with the wicked and with the rich).
This is twisitng, isn't it?
Jews here ridicule themselves, since nothing in the masoretic signs point to
a semantic comma before "in his death."


Best regards,

Vadim


> And here is the Jewish Publication Society's English translation:
>
> Isa 53:9   And his grave was set among the wicked,
> And with the rich, in his death --
> Though he had done no injustice
> And had spoken no falsehood.
>
>
> Dan Nordlund
>
> In a message dated 5/18/2004 5:03:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> hholmyard at ont.com writes:
> Dear Vadim,
>
> >Suppose you, indeed, translate with "prophetic perfect" and "intense
> >plural," and replace "gave" with "made." You get:
> >
> >they would make in his death with the rich
> >
> >What does THAT suppose to mean?
>
> HH: Here is the New International Version:
>
> Is. 53:9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich
> in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in
> his mouth.
>
> HH: Here is the Holman Christian Standard Bible:
>
> He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried
> like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.
>
> HH: Here is the New King james Version:
>
> And they made His grave with the wicked-- But with the rich at His
> death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His
> mouth.
>
> HH: Here is the New Revised Standard Version:
>
> They made his grave with the wicked and his tomb with the rich,
> although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his
> mouth.
>
> HH: Here is the American Standard Version:
>
> His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in
> His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit
> in His mouth.
>
> HH: Here is the New Living Translation:
>
> He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried
> like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.
>
>                 Yours,
>                 Harold Holmyard
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