[b-hebrew] agent or patient in Psa. 33:12?

Harold R. Holmyard III hholmyard at ont.com
Tue May 11 17:21:52 EDT 2004


Dear Jason,

>Are there other examples of BXR being used without the B- prefix on the
>object? I'm sure that others can be cited, especially in poetic style
>literature. Anyone have references?

HH: Joshua 8:3 and Judges 5:8 are good ones (cf. 1 Sm 2:28). Remember 
the understood relative clause may affect the grammar, for B tends to 
be absent in those constructions. See Ex 17:9; Num 16:7; Dt 12:5, 11.

				Yours,
				Harold Holmyard

>
>Thanks,
>Jason
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried at umich.edu>
>To: "B-Hebrew at Lists. Ibiblio. Org" <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:37 PM
>Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] agent or patient in Psa. 33:12?
>
>
>>  Dear Michael,
>>  The object chosen is usually in a prepositional
>>  phrase headed by the preposition B-.
>>  bHr takes bet-
>>  Therefore rather than lw, you'd expect bw if God were
>>  the object of the choosing.
>>  Lw refers back to the subject, it is "for himself."
>>  However, in that case, I don't understand why Ha'am isn't preceded
>>  by B-.
>>  Liz Fried
>>  Ann Arbor
>>
>>  > -----Original Message-----
>>  > From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>>  > [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Deborah Millier
>>  > Sent: Tue, May 11, 2004 3:39 PM
>>  > To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
>>  > Subject: [b-hebrew] agent or patient in Psa. 33:12?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Dear B-Hebrew Listers,
>>  >
>>  > In Psa. 33:12 we read:
>>  >
>>  > WYHL)  HWHY  R$)  YWGH  YR$)
>>  > WL  HLXNL  RXB  M(H
>>  >
>>  > It is usually translated something like:
>>  >
>>  > Happy is the nation whose God is YHWH,
>>  > The people whom He has chosen as His inheritance.
>>  >
>>  > Now, whats to prevent me from here understanding YHWH
>>  > as affected patient (i.e. the chosen) and Ha-AM as
>>  > agent (i.e. the one doing the choosing)?  This would
>>  > produce a translation something like:
>>  >
>>  > Happy is the nation whose God is YHWH,
>>  > The people that has chosen Him to be its inheritance.
>>  >
>>  > This rendition:
>>  >
>>  > 1) makes perfect (better?) sense in context.
>>  > 2) maintains synonymous parallelism.
>>  > 3) has attested meaning in other portions of the
>>  > TaNaKH.
>>  >
>>  > As always, your feedback is appreciated.  Thanks in
>>  > advance.
>>  >
>>  > Sincerely,
>>  > -- Michael Millier
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
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