[b-hebrew] Horse and Rider and britches.

A. Philip Brown II pbrown at GBS.EDU
Sun Mar 28 20:42:05 EST 2004


In his book, _Costume and Fashion: A concise history_ (2002), James Laver
had the following information on 'britches':

50, 2nd c. BC Roman army defeated by the Teutons whose "principal garment
seems to have consisted of a short tunic formed of two pieces of leather
sewn together. ... Under the tunic were worn breeches or baggy trousers,
which in Roman eyes was the very mark of the barbarian."

51  excavations at Lorraine and Le Mans in France from the period AD 481-752
found men in this period "wearing breeches, sometimes ending at the knee and
leaving the legs bare, sometimes long and cross-gartered."

58, in the eleventh century breeches or braies were ankle-length trousers
kept in place by a cord threaded through the top, rather low over the hips.
The nobility worn them fitted to the leg, the lower classes loose and rather
baggy.  They were sometimes worn with leg-bandages bound spirally or in a
criss-cross pattern.

Philip Brown
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[mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Lisbeth S. Fried
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Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Horse and Rider and britches.


While we're on this subject. Does anyone know about the date and origin
of pants, britches? I had heard that the term in Exodus is anachronistic
because no one wore pants until they started riding horses, and that
they were initiated by the Medes in 800 or later.
Whence pants?
Liz Fried


> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of CS Bartholomew
> Sent: Sun, March 28, 2004 2:56 PM
> To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Horse and Rider
>
>
> On 3/28/04 9:53 AM, "Walter R. Mattfeld" <mattfeld12 at charter.net> wrote:
>
> > Regarding the claims that the Egyptians did not ride horses
> before the 8th
> > century BCE- that is an old notion which has been "disproven".
>
>
> W.von Soden* says "Riders were used to carry messages from an early date,
> though cavalry with a military function did not exist prior to 900, and
> thereafter primarily in Assyria, where they were developed to
> defend against
> attacks by mounted Iranians."
>
> There appears to be a significant semantic distinction between
> "cavalry with
> a military function" and mounted horsemen in general. An artifact
> showing a
> mounted horseman does not prove that "cavalry with a military
> function" as a
> military function existed.
>
>
> greetings,
> Clay Bartholomew
>
> *Page 84., von Soden, Wolfram; Schley, Donald J. (translator)
> The Ancient Orient : An Introduction to the Study of the Ancient Near East
> Grand Rapids, MI, U.S.A.: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1994
>
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