[b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL)

Dave Washburn dwashbur at nyx.net
Sat Mar 13 14:14:19 EST 2004


Would you mind tossing out a few of those several hundred examples so we can 
discuss them?

On Saturday 13 March 2004 11:07, furuli at online.no wrote:
> Dear Dave,
>
> I have a list of several hundred examples of WAYYIQTOLs whose actions
> occur simultaneously, even many examples where two WAYYIQTOLs have
> the same subject.  So it is true that the WAYYIQTOL advances R-time
> in the majority (more than half) of the cases, but this is no
> *semantic* characteristic of the form.
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Rolf
>
>
> Rolf Furuli
> University of Oslo
>
> >On Saturday 13 March 2004 06:24, B. M. Rocine wrote:
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >>  For years now--can you believe how time flies?-- this has been a
> >> difficult feature of your model for me to swallow: that a wayyiqtol that
> >> you alledge to be imperfective is used most often in a context that
> >> features the advance of time.  In my understanding of aspect, the
> >> advance of time would favor, if not require, a perfective form.  But I
> >> may be understanding you. Let me see if I can explain, in your view, how
> >> an imperfective form can be used in a passage where story time advances.
> >>
> >>  Wayyiqtol refers to a situation that obtains (essentially saying that
> >> it begins) but the verb form doesn't by itself indicate anything about
> >> the situation's completion.  The verb form leaves, in and of itself, the
> >> situation open on the anterior end, because it is imperfective.  Then,
> >> in a text, along comes the next wayyiqtol, a new beginning.  A new
> >> beginning usually (but not necessarily) *implies* the ending of the
> >> previous situation.  IOW, one situation is now usually *inferred* to be
> >> complete simply because a new one has obtained or begun.
> >>
> >>  This view of wayyiqtol seems rather like that of S.R. Driver, no?
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >Bryan,
> >It actually sounds to me more like Galia Hatav's view that wayyiqtol
> > advances R-time.
> >
> >--
> >Dave Washburn
> >http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
> >Learning about Christianity from a non-Christian
> >is like getting a kiss over the telephone.
>
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