[b-hebrew] Re: Genesis 1:6-7, 8:1, Waters Above and Below

Dora Smith villandra at austin.rr.com
Mon Jun 21 07:45:04 EDT 2004


If yim is a Hebrew innovation, why does Arabic have it too?    Or atleast it
has alot of "yim"'s in it.   or 'im's.   I haven't analysed it to learn if
that is the way to make a plural.

How did other Northwest Semitic languages construct the plural?

And, probably the fundamental question of all, where did speakers of Hebrew
mport ""yim" from if not a Semitic feature?

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk at qaya.org>
To: <pinnerup at privat.dk>
Cc: <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Genesis 1:6-7, 8:1, Waters Above and Below


> On 19/06/2004 16:07, Rasmus Underbjerg Pinnerup wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:36:44 -0700, Peter Kirk <peterkirk at qaya.org>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >>So it is possible that "sky" goes back to something like "there
> >>water", but if so the naming must go back at least to proto-Semitic
> >>times - perhaps even to Adam in the garden!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I thought the standard etymology for »shamayim« was »mayim« (waters)
> >plus the causative prefix »sha-« known from related Semitic languages.
> >Has this etymology been rejected?
> >
> >
>
> No, only pushed back to proto-Semitic. This indeed seems more likely
> that sham + ma (the -yim is a Hebrew innovation). It is also possible
> that shamayim received its -yim suffix by analogy and false etymology
> with mayim.
>
> I'm not sure where you get "standard etymology" from. It is not
> mentioned by Strong, BDB or TWOT.
>
> >It seems to me, that if the etymology was »sham« + »mayim«, there
> >would be a problem in explaining why »shamayim« only has one m.
> >
> >
> >
> Indeed.
>
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