[b-hebrew] Eden

Brian Roberts formoria at carolina.rr.com
Tue Jun 15 16:07:19 EDT 2004

On Tuesday, June 15, 2004, at 01:52  PM, Dave Washburn wrote:

> Perhaps what we need in such cases is a better definition of "science."

"Amen", brother, if I may be allowed the misapplication of 
affirmation. :)

It would seem that the definition of science has become a debate for 

Brian Roberts

> On Tuesday 15 June 2004 03:47, Peter Kirk wrote:
>> On 14/06/2004 22:19, Karl Randolph wrote:
>>> Dear Peter:
>>> Now that you bring in science……
>>> ...
>>> This is not a claim that ”creation science“ is science. It is not 
>>> science
>>> for the same reasons evolution is not science.
>> I agree with you, more or less. Certainly evolution in terms of
>> mechanisms is no more scientific than creationism because both are 
>> based
>> on unfalsifiable speculation.
>>> The reason I objected to ”proto-Semitic“ language, especially as a
>>> yardstick to evaluate Biblical Hebrew, is because it, like evolution, 
>>> is
>>> based on inobservable presuppositions that may or may not be true. I
>>> would prefer to stay with that which can be observed, in this case, 
>>> the
>>> Biblical Hebrew language recorded in Tanakh and what few other 
>>> writings
>>> in Biblical Hebrew that we have found.
>> I hadn't mentioned proto-Semitic for some time, but you have 
>> anticipated
>> my mention of it just posted. Well, there are a large number of words
>> and grammatical structures which are more or less common between many
>> modern and recorded ancient Semitic languages. These are similar to the
>> large number of words and structures in common between e.g. Romance
>> languages which can be traced back to a known ancestor, Latin. It is a
>> reasonable speculation, although formally unprovable I agree, that the
>> common Semitic vocabulary and grammar derive from an original common
>> Semitic language, which is probably lost (although I suppose one could
>> try to argue that proto-Semitic is Akkadian, the oldest recorded 
>> Semitic
>> language). To go further into determining the exact shape of that
>> proto-language may be speculative, but that is not actually my point.
> --
> Dave Washburn
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> is like getting a kiss over the telephone.
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