[b-hebrew] Limmuday (Isa 8:16)

Shai Heijmans shaih at post.tau.ac.il
Tue Jun 15 01:00:03 EDT 2004


There is no stretch at all. Read jastrow's citations carefully:

This "frame of mortised shingles" was used as covering both to the oven
(kelim 5, 9) and to the vat (mo'ed qata 2, 2). 

In the case of the oven, the limmudim were used to keep the heat inside;
In the case of the vat, they used it to seal it off with limmudim, in
order that the wine won't get sour. See the commentators ad loc.

I think it goes very well with the verb XTM, "to seal", in Isa 8:16.

Shai




> -----Original Message-----
> From: George F. Somsel [mailto:gfsomsel at juno.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:46 PM
> To: shaih at post.tau.ac.il
> Cc: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Limmuday (Isa 8:16)
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:03:55 +0200 "Shai Heijmans" 
> <shaih at post.tau.ac.il>
> writes:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I would like to hear your opinion about an idea I have regarding
> > Isaiah
> > 8:16.
> > 
> > All translations identify "limmuday" with "desciples" (NRSV gives:
> > "bind
> > up the testimony, seal the teaching among my disciples"), as do 
> > HALOT
> > and BDB.
> > 
> > Yet it doesn't really fit: if the disciples will get the law, why
> > should
> > it be *sealed* in them?
> > 
> > I propose to interpret "limmudim" as "covering", a meaning this word
> > had
> > in Mishnaic Hebrew. E.g.: 
> > 
> > Mo'ed Qatan 2,2: Rabbi Yehuda omer, ose lo *limmudim* bishvil shelo 
> > yexmats ("R. Judah says: He may make for it a covering of 
> shingles so
> > that the wine shall not turn sour").
> > 
> > If we take that meaning of limmudim, then the verse makes more
> > sense:
> > "bind up the testimony, seal the teaching with a covering"
> > 
> > Does anyone know if this was propsed before?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Shai
> > 
> _____________
> 
> Where do you get this information?   A glance a Jastrow shows
> 
> LiM.W.D, LiM.W.DiYM, LiM.W.DiYN, v. LiM.W.DW., LiM.W.DiYM
> 
> When this is viewed I see
> 
> LiYM.W.D, LiM.W.D m. (b.h. LfMaD) teaching, learning, study 
> (interch. with TLMYD) training, habit. Kidd. 40b . . .
> 
> There is also
> 
> LiYM.W.DiYM, LiYM.DiYN, LiM.' m. pl. (LfMaD) [junctions] 1) 
> mortised shingles or boards used as frames . . .
> 
> It is a bit of a stretch from "mortised shingles or boards 
> used as frames" to covering, but I see nothing else even that close.
> 
> gfsomsel
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