[b-hebrew] OT: a link about Modern Hebrew

VC vadim_lv at center-tv.net
Tue Jun 8 15:41:27 EDT 2004


Dear Yigal,

Since Oral Tradition was not written but memorized, no layman could have
known it.
bar Sheta introduced compulsory learning of Torah for Jewish boys.
I was also referring to the episode of Jesus reading in the synagogue. I
guess this argument goes without verification for Christian scholars. Some
kind of reading was there, anyway.
Gospels contain the citations by supposedly knowledgeable NT personages. So
why they are distorted? Because the authoring folks relied on LXX, and
distorted even it as it suited them. It did not make sense to appeal with
this gibberish to Jewish scholars, right? But in the Acts, these folks
lecture Sanhedrin with utterly distorted text. Makes any sense to you?

Sincerely,

Vadim Cherny


> Now, that's a sweeping statement (three, in fact)! I'll stay away from the
> NT authors, but what source do you have about "common Jews", besides the
NT,
> which clearly has an issue with Pharisees? In general, it was the Priestly
> Sadducees, who denied the validity of the "oral Torah", who were removed
> from the "common people". The Pharisees were far more "connected" to
> "popular religion", which included the oral tradition (this does NOT mean
> that every rule recorded in the Talmud necessarily reflects 1st century
> custom).
>
> Did "every Jewish boy" study Torah? That would have certainly been the
> ideal, but literacy was uncommon at best, including among Jews. What all
> Jews DID learn, was the ORAL traditions, both as Bible-stories and as
rules
> for daily life.
>
> As far as the weekly readings: we don't really know how many Jews
regularly
> attended synagogue services. We don't really know how common the cyclic
> reading of the Torah was at the time. And we have no idea what
"additional"
> readings, if any, were read. The earliest evidence we have of a prophetic
> reading after the Torah reading (what today is called the "Haftarah") is,
in
> fact, the story about Jesus reading in the synagogue a Nazareth in Luke
> 4:16-30. (By the way, the local tradition has it, that when they chased
> Jesus to "the brow of the hill upon which the city is built", and "he
passed
> through them", he actually leaped from the hill south of Nazareth all the
> way to Mt. Tabor - the hill is called Har Haqepitzah - the hill of
jumping.)
>
> And even assuming that most 1st century Jews attended synagogues, in which
> both the Torah and the Haftarah were regularly read, more or less as they
> are today, the Haftarot actually cover only a small selection of the
> Prophets, and none of the Writings. Graduates of Orthodox Jewish education
> today are notorious for NOT knowing a whole lot of Nakh (Nebiim and
> Ketubim).
>
> Yigal
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VC" <vadim_lv at center-tv.net>
> To: <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] OT: a link about Modern Hebrew
>
>
> > Dear Chris,
> >
> > Neither common Jews, nor the Nt authors were concerned with the Oral
> > Tradition. And Torah was studied by every Jewish boy. They were also
> > familiar with Tanakh from weekly readings.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Vadim Cherny
> >
> >
> > > Dear vadim,  whatever you think of yeshua of Nazeret one thing can be
> > clear,
> > > that his fingure pointing at the faults of the 'religious authorities'
> was
> > > accurate.  The working class jewish man and woman of that day could,
> with
> > > some accuracy, be likened to the religious masses of 14th and 15
century
> > > Germany and England.  It was, to some extent, advantageous that the
> > > religious authorities had carved out for themselves an element of
> > > exclusiveness.  So I would hesitate to call them odd Jews who did not
> know
> > > Tanach.  They knew what was important, they were aware of the
prophecies
> > and
> > > they went to the feasts.  Just as today Jews that I met in Israel are
> very
> > > much aware of popular thinking and feast celebrating,  but many of
them
> > find
> > > the oral aspect of their law-interpreting leaders a burden.
> > >
> > > Regards Chris.
> > >
> > >
> > > Surely, very odd Jews those have been. They did not know Tanakh, cited
> > > garbled quotations of the verses the should have studied in childhood
> (if
> > > you know about bar Sheta reforms) and were unobservant. Wishful
thinking
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Vadim Cherny
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Michael Abernathy
> > >
> > >
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