[b-hebrew] exodus, dating of linguistics

Brian Roberts formoria at carolina.rr.com
Wed Jun 2 22:31:57 EDT 2004


George,

Is it written in German?

Brian


On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, at 10:31  PM, George F. Somsel wrote:

> If you are interested, I can send you Wellhausen's _Prolegomena_ in the
> Project Guttenberg edition.
>
> gfsomsel
> _________
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:06:26 -0400 Brian Roberts
> <formoria at carolina.rr.com> writes:
>> Absolutely not all agree with the Documentary Hypothesis.
>>
>> I've always been puzzled by the identification by JEDP backers of
>> the
>> book of Deuteronomy as the "book of the law" found in the temple
>> disrepair. It hinges such a tremendously significant portion of an
>> already extremely hypothetical theory on an offhand remark in the
>> account of Josiah's reforms. And it does so without providing any
>> real
>> reason to make that leap. It's as though someone (Wellshausen or
>> whomever) saw the verse and theorized that this "book of the law"
>> could
>> be the very book I'm reading. Well, yes it could, but let's see how
>> he
>> got from hypothesis to conclusion without anything in between.
>>
>> Can anyone offer any insight?
>>
>> Best Salaams,
>>
>> Brian Roberts
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, at 08:46  PM, George F. Somsel wrote:
>>
>>> Harold,
>>>
>>> At the risk of opening a can of worms, I think Peter and Uri were
>>> referring to JEDP and the Documentary Hypothesis.  According to
>> this
>>> Deuteronomy was "found" in the temple and was the impetus for the
>>> Josianic reforms.  It was, shall I say, an "occassional piece",
>> i.e.
>>> written for the occassion.  The histories were then written upon
>> the
>>> program of Deuteronomy with the centralized sanctuary, etc.
>>>
>>> What some say may not have been so that Uri referenced is that not
>> all
>>> agree to the Documentary Hypothesis.
>>>
>>> As regards your "the Bible tells me so" approach --
>>>
>>> "Things are not always as they seem.
>>> Skim milk oft masquerades as cream."
>>>
>>> gfsomsel
>>> ________
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:26:18 -0500 "Harold R. Holmyard III"
>>> <hholmyard at ont.com> writes:
>>>> Dear Uri,
>>>>
>>>> What would some say may not have been so? Are
>>>> they saying that Deuteronomy was not written at
>>>> one time and place? The Book of Deuteronomy says
>>>> that it was.
>>>>
>>>> Deut. 31:9 ¶ So Moses wrote down this law and
>>>> gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who
>>>> carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and
>>>> to all the elders of Israel.
>>>>
>>>> Are they saying that the other literature, much
>>>> of Joshua-Kings, was not written later? Scripture
>>>> is clear that the events occurred later than the
>>>> writing of the Deuteronomic law by Moses. So they
>>>> must have been written later. Are they saying
>>>> that these other books do not echo the language
>>>> and themes of Deuteronomy. This is a matter of
>>>> judgment to some degree, but certainly a good
>>>> argument can be made for the fact that they do.
>>>> For example, Moses warned about rebellion from
>>>> God and God's punishment, and that is exactly
>>>> what Judges shows.
>>>>
>>>>                                 Yours,
>>>>                                 Harold Holmyard
>>>>
>>>>>   This may have been so, but, some would say,
>>>>> more likely not have been so. In short, sheer
>>>>> speculation, like much that has been speculated
>>>>> on this subject.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Uri
>>>>> Peter Kirk <peterkirk at qaya.org> wrote:
>>>>> the kind of model I have in mind is:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Deuteronomy was written at one time and place.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) The other literature e.g. much of Joshua-Kings which so
>> clearly
>>>>> echoes the languages and themes of Deuteronomy was written at a
>>>> later
>>>>> time, and potentially a different place, in imitation, either
>>>> deliberate
>>>>> or accidental, of Deuteronomy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, Michael's stylistic argument that Deuteronomy and
>>>>> Joshua-Kings were written at one time and place fails.
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