[b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation

Joel Nothman jnothman at student.usyd.edu.au
Sat Apr 17 20:46:57 EDT 2004

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:31:55 -0700, Peter Kirk <peterkirk at qaya.org> wrote:

> On 17/04/2004 03:42, Joel Nothman wrote:
>> ...
>> Also of note here is that a number of these communities also pronounce  
>> vet  (bet without dagesh) as b. It was once likely a bilabial  
>> fricative, which  is not so easy to pronounce and so seems to fall out  
>> of languages - it  sounds somewhere between v and b. This sound also  
>> accounts (in Latin  Spanish) for the spellings of Habana/Havana. It may  
>> also account for  "Jacob" and "Job" and not "Jakov" and "Jov".
> This last is more likely because Greek and Latin did not have a V sound  
> and so used beta or B for the V sound when these names were  
> transliterated from Hebrew.

Yes, I realised this afterwards, and also that the b in oriental  
communities probably comes from the Arabic lack of a bh or v phoneme...  
Still, there is some evidence for bh rather than v as an original  

- Joel

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