[b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm

Yigal Levin leviny1 at mail.biu.ac.il
Sat Nov 29 16:26:48 EST 2003


Hi Karl,

I must disagree. In Hos. 3:2 it means "bought", from MKR "sell", in a sort
of reverse way. In Deuteronomy 2:6 it refers to getting water from wells -
even if they were not going to dig, the verb KRH is the way in which
"drilling" is referred to. The same in Gen 50:5 - true, presumably Jacob
didn't have to dig his own grave, but KRH is the term for "to prepare a
grave", since such graves are usually dug. In 2 Kings 12:6 "makaro" means
just what the KJV translates - "his acquaintance" - a totally different
verb. In 2 Kings 6:23 he (either Elisha of the king) prepares a big Kerah of
food. This sound like a big bowl or spread. I could claim that a bowl has a
"dug out" shape, but of course I have no evidence of this. However, Kor is a
(liquid) mesure, so maybe a Kerah is a Kor-sized bowl.

Yigal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph at email.com>
To: "Hebrew" <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Re: 22nd Psalm & 40th Psalm


> Yigal:
>
> KRH means to provide, furnish. It does not specify the means by which the
provision is made. In Hosea 3:2 and Deuteronomy 2:6 the provision is through
purchase. In  again no digging was involved in that he was buried in a
natural cave that was on the property in which his father and grandfather
were buried. In  that which was provided was a meal, or provisions?  the
participial form is used for provisions for those who are on duty, in this
case priests in the temple. True, it is often used for providing or
furnishing a pit or well, but as can be seen above, digging is not part of
the definition of the word itself, but the unspoken means by which the
provision is often made. In an English context not connected with Tanakh, I
have seen the sentence "We provided a well for him."
>
> What is the best way to translate the term in each context? I'll leave
that for translators.
>
> As for K)RY, I don't deny the possibility that something may have been
lost, a copiest error perhaps, but as the text presently stands "as a lion"
does not fit. We can speculate, but I am looking for evidence.
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yigal Levin" <leviny1 at mail.biu.ac.il>
>
> > Hi Karl,
> >
> > >
> > > I hesitated getting involved in this discussion because of its obvious
> > theological overtones. But there are a couple of linguistic notes to
mark.
> >
> > That's what we're here for.
> > >
> > > KRH as a verb seems to have the meaning of "to provide, to furnish".
> >
> > Not that I see. Why "provide"?
> >
> > >It does not specify how the provision is made. In the case of providing
a
> > well, it is >done by digging, though the "by digging" is left out of
texts
> > such as Gen. 26:25, Ex. >21:33. In Pr. 16:27 that which is provided is
> > displeasure.
> >
> > There is no way that you can know what the verb Koreh in Pr. 16:27
means. "A
> > bad man _____ evil". Fill in the blank. "Provides"? Why not "digs"? or
> > "causes"?
> >
> > >In Ps 40:7 it is ears that are provided. In this I agree with you.
> > KRH would not have been used for the heart. It is used for ears, since
they
> > are cavities that God "dug" in our bodies.
> >
> > >
> > > K)R in Ps 22:17 (16 in English) is in the place where one would expect
to
> > find a verb, as you mentioned below. As for what it means, there is too
> > little context in Tanakh to give a certain understanding. As the text
> > presently stands, the meaning "as a lion" does not fit. Are there any
clues
> > from cognate languages?
> > >
> >
> > "Lion" does fit the general context of being surrounded by beasties, but
not
> > the syntax. Maybe the verb was lost: "As a lion, they _____ my hands and
> > feet"?
> >
> > Yigal
> >
> > > Karl W. Randolph.
> > >
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