[b-hebrew] Job 12:16
Dean.Young at CDA.CenterPartners.com
Thu Jul 31 15:32:26 EDT 2003
Very insightful response!! I never really thought of it that way but you're
right, it very well could be referring to those ignorantly deceiving and
being decieved. The only reason Satan came in the picture (in my mind)is
because I know satan is called the great deceiver and so forth. (i.e. When I
think of liars, automatically I picture the "father of lies") "misled" does
seem like a better translation..
From: Paul Zellmer [mailto:paul at smcfm.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:07 PM
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Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Job 12:16
The basic words here (they actually come from two different roots, although
they might be related) are close synonyms. Both refer to unintentional
$GG is also found in Leviticus 5:18 "his error in which he sinned
unintentionally" [NASB], Numbers 15:28 "for the person who goes astray when
he sins unintentionally" [NASB], Psalms 119:67 "I went astray" [NASB].
Although I can understand how "deceiver" can be the translation, and
although many of the translations continue with the KJV tradition that
popularized this translation, I tend to prefer the NASB use of "misled."
$GH is used some 25 times in the HB, with the sense of acts done in
ignorance. Four of these (including the one in Job 12:16) are causative in
aspect. It is also used to describe the wandering of sheep in Ezekiel 34:6.
TWOT adds this note: "The Scripture pinpoints at least three causes for such
wandering. The first is wine and strong drink (Isa 28:7; Prov 20:1). The
second is the seductive strange woman (Prov 5:20, 23) versus the love of
one's wife, which ought to 'captivate' one (Prov 5:19). The third is the
inability to reject evil instruction (Prov 19:27). Only Saul in the OT
admits culpability at this point (I Sam 26:21)."
I think your musings go a bit astray when you bring Satan into the picture
in this verse of Job's defensive soliloquy. I'm not seeing this as being
even in the remotest parts of Job's thinking. The whole section of this
chapter is referring to the pre-emininence of God in all aspects of
creation. So, of course, both the ones who unintentionally sin (something
that Job is apparently willing to accept, based on verses like Job 6:24 and
19:4) and the one who causes someone to unintentionally sin are under God's
power and domain. That does not mean that God is necessarily exercising
that power, but the potential for His direction and control is there. And
even though I do not see Satan as being in Job's mind in this passage, even
he is under the same control, as is seen by the need to have permissions
given to him to afflict Job in Job 1.
Hope this helps,
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> Subject: [b-hebrew] Job 12:16
> Good morning,
> I had a question on this verse of scripture. It says:
> "With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the
> deceiver are his"
> Now I'm not fluent in hebrew but watching the list, I know you
> guys are..So
> with that in mind: I was a litte bothered by this scripture
> knowing that the
> bible calls satan the deceiver, the adversary, etc. Is this the closest
> translation that can be summoned from this text? It seems as if
> "are his" is
> more from a creation point of view but it came at me a little different.
> Maybe I'm not making any sense whatsoever, but from a 'laymans''view, it
> seems as almost God is saying that he sends the deceiver or the
> deceiver is
> under God's protection/provision. I'm just looking for a little
> on the verse and it's context.
> Dean Young
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