The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ??? (Peter)

Liz Fried lizfried at umich.edu
Sat Sep 2 12:26:18 EDT 2000


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Kirk [mailto:Peter_Kirk at sil.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:55 PM
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: Re: The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ??? (Peter)
>
>
> Sorry, Liz, but which part of this are you claiming is a correct statement
> by Ian? The part "By exactly the same argument, KOL YEMEY XAYYEYKA in Gen
> 3:17 does not mean 'every day of your life', it means 'the whole of your
> life'." was written by me and quoted and rejected by Ian. But you seem to
> agree with my statement, whch concerns meaning and not literal
> (but in this
> case misleading) translation. (Though even in English "all the days of my
> life" does not mean "every day of my life".) Or have I misunderstood you?

Well, I'm quite confused,actually. The literal translation is
"All the days of your life."
This is the literal, word for word translation.
I don't see any difference in meaning between that
and "the whole of your life," or more vernacularly, all your life,
or your whole life. All these meanings mean every day until you die.
I don't understand how it the literal translation is misleading,
and I don't understand how "all the days of my life" in English
does not mean "every day of my life."
Now the rabbis asked, why just the days and not the nights,
and they made some distinction based on something or other.
But in this case they are simply applying midrash. There is no
difference in meaning between all the days of my life, and all
my life. The days are 24 hour days and include the nights too
--- ohhhh! is that what the argument is about????
OK, well the rabbis discuss this, but I don't remember what they
base their arguments on, and I think they are stiving for a
theological answer, rather than giving the peshat.
According to the peshat, these are 24 hours days, it's not just
the days, but the nights too.

Sorry for the rambling and the thinking aloud.
Liz

I don't remember any more what it is apropos of.

>
> Peter Kirk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liz Fried" <lizfried at umich.edu>
> To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew at franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:42 PM
> Subject: RE: The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ??? (Peter)
>
>
> > > So far all you have done is to use an analogy (about hot dogs) to
> attempt
> > > to support this claim: <<By exactly the same argument, KOL YEMEY
> XAYYEYKA
> > > in Gen 3:17 does not mean "every day of your life", it means
> "the whole
> of
> > > your life".>> You've got no further.
> > >
> > Ian is correct. If the grammar books discuss this, they
> >  are explaining the meaning, not giving a literal translation.
> > The meaning is the same, "all the days of your life" means
> > "the whole of your life," or "all your life." But this is not a literal
> > translation.
> > Even the KJV translates kol yemey xayyai as "all the days of my life,"
> > in Psalm 23.
> > Of course then it botches the psalm's final line.
> >
> > Liz
> >
>
>
>
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