The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ???

Liz Fried lizfried at umich.edu
Mon Aug 28 12:05:51 EDT 2000


Why doesn't it say evening and morning, one *night*?
Just wondering.
Liz

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Hildenbrand [mailto:hildenbr at Haas.Berkeley.EDU]
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:34 AM
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Cc: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: Re: The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ???
>
>
> None of these passages have YOM used in conjunction with numbers, as in
> Gen 1.  My argument still stands.
>
> As to "evening and morning":  Since this phrase only occurs here, you
> would have a case of special pleading if you took it any other way than
> its constituant parts indicate.  That is, evening should be taken as
> "evening" and morning as "morning" unless otherwise indicated.  In *every*
> case where the two are used in the same sentence (some 35x in Bible
> works), the words *never* bear any other meaning than the literal.  This
> makes the case for "evening and morning" in Gen 1 quite strong to
> understand them to refer to the same evening and morning as we are
> familiar with.
>
> Michael
>
>  On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Peter Kirk wrote:
>
> > I was surprised to come across this morning in my church
> service, in a song
> > which we sang, clear evidence that YOM does NOT always mean a 24 hour
> > period, even when it has no preposition. The song quoted from
> Isaiah 61:2,
> > in which YOM is in parallel with SHANA, in a clear case of synonymous
> > parallelism. Well, the parallel between "favour" and
> "vengeance" seems odd,
> > but I am sure that there is no intention of contrast between the time
> > periods involved. There are similar parallels in Is. 34:8, 63:4. The
> > parallel makes it clear that this "day of vengeance" was not
> intended by the
> > author to be understood as a 24 hour period. So why is it so
> certain that
> > the "days" of Genesis 1 are 24 hour periods, in the author's intention?
> >
> > The "evening and morning" formula is hardly strong evidence as it occurs
> > only in Genesis 1, if I remember rightly. And the lack of
> examples of YOM
> > with an ordinal number tells us little because I am sure that almost all
> > cases of this outside Genesis 1 are in dates, so in a
> construction which is
> > not comparable. Unfortunately, as a general rule in Hebrew studies, the
> > limited size of the corpus and the lack of native speakers means that we
> > cannot argue that a word or phrase must always have a particular meaning
> > from the lack of unambiguous examples of it having another meaning.
> >
> > Peter Kirk
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Hildenbrand" <hildenbr at Haas.Berkeley.EDU>
> > To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew at franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ???
> >
> >
> > > We seem to be slipping in this thread.  I sent what is
> written below out
> > > to the list some time this past month.  The issue is a
> non-issue.  YOM in
> > > Gen 1 linguistically *has* to refer to a day of the 24 hour variety.
> > > That is a certainty.  Now, what you DO with that is up to
> your theology.
> > > It is not optional as to the intent of the author/editor of
> Gen 1.  The
> > > meaning of YOM is a linguistic question, not theological.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Actually, YOM falls into quite clear categories.  When it is
> not augmented
> > > (prefixed article or pronoun-like "b"- or in the plural) and used with
> > > numbers, the word *always* refers to a literal day (some
> 200x), Gen 1 of
> > > course being a battleground.  Further in Gen 1, YOM is delimited by
> > > "evening and morning" a phrase which is never used in reference to
> > > anything other than a literal day.  I am sure that we do not
> want to get
> > > too deeply into this (presuppositions being what they are in
> this area)-I
> > > don't either.  BDB had this figured out a long time ago (they
> have these
> > > categories very clearly set out).  Also Evan-Shoshan divides
> up the usages
> > > quite neatly.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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