In the Day you eat thereof... (Gen 2:4 and 17) - When!

Jerry Blaz ffdog at earthlink.net
Sat Aug 26 20:06:23 EDT 2000


Noticing that I said "can" mean "when" and not "must" mean "when," I can
offhand suggest "ki-im" and "ad-az" as examples that in particular contexts
can be translated as "when."  I am certainly the examples I have listed do
not comprise a compendious list of possible "whens."

Jerry Blaz

At 11:48 AM 8/26/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Jerry,
>I agree with you. All three are special kinds of "when." There is no exact
Hebrew
>equivalent to the English "when." You stated that there were "other" words
that
>can mean "when." What are they?
>Thanks.
>Lee R. Martin
>
>Jerry Blaz wrote:
>
>> I brought the other forms of "when" to the discussion to indicate that
>> "byom" -- while translatable as "when" does not just equate the English
>> "when," but each of these three forms are special kinds of "when" -- which
>> it appears you realize, but do not seem to understand what I said.  I am
>> sorry if I am writing so opaquely, because aside from your statement that
>> "matai" and "ka'asher" are special kinds of when, you seem to infer that
>> "byom" is not a special case of when, but translates exactly as "when" is
>> defined in English.
>>
>> Or do you?
>>
>> Jerry Blaz
>>
>> At 10:26 AM 8/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Dear Jerry,
>> >"matai" is an interrogative adverb, and may be translated "when?"
>> >"ka'asher" means "as soon as" and could be translated "when," but the
>> meaning is
>> >different from "beyom."
>> >What are the other words that you speak of?
>> >By the way, has anyone heard of any progress toward a Hebrew lexicon
>> according to
>> >semantic domains (similar to Louw  & Nida's Greek lexicon)?
>> >Lee R. Martin
>> >
>> >
>> >Jerry Blaz wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, not quite.  After all, there are a number of Hebrew words that
>> >> translate to "when" so when "byom" is used; so we have to ask
wherefore is
>> >> this "when" different from other "whens?"
>> >>
>> >> There is ka'asher and matai and other words that translate to "when."  I
>> >> will stick with my previous explanation.  This "when" (if you insist) or
>> >> "byom" is used when it sums up state and signals a change.
>> >>
>> >> Jerry Blaz
>> >>
>> >> At 09:21 AM 8/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> ><Lee>
>> >> >The word BEYOM simply means "when."
>> >> >
>> >> ><Bill>
>> >> >Aaah, now that is satisfying! I was not subscribed on Aug 14th, so I
>> missed
>> >> >it. That makes perfect sense and to my mind "cracks the case". Thank
you.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bill Ross
>> >> >
>> >> >
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