SV: Gen 2:17: Dying thou shalt die

Thomas L. Thompson tlt at teol.ku.dk
Mon Aug 21 11:42:59 EDT 2000




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> Fra:	Thomas L. Thompson 
> Sendt:	21. august 2000 17:38
> Til:	'Dave Washburn'
> Emne:	SV: Gen 2:17: Dying thou shalt die
> 
> Jubilees might help in this. The story in Genesis ends with Adam living on
> and becoming the father of children outside the garden. Jubilees addresses
> itself to the implications of Yahweh's words, that Adam will die on the
> day he eats of the tree. The author finds a solution to the seeming
> incoherence of 'you will surely die' by pointing out that in Yahweh's eyes
> a thousand years is but a day. In God's eyes Adam does not live out that
> fateful day.
> Thomas 
> 
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> 	Fra:	Dave Washburn [SMTP:dwashbur at nyx.net]
> 	Sendt:	21. august 2000 05:32
> 	Til:	Biblical Hebrew
> 	Emne:	Re: Gen 2:17: Dying thou shalt die
> 
> 	Bill,
> 	> <Bill>
> 	> The literal of Gen 2:17 seems to be:
> 	> 
> 	> ...dying thou shalt die...
> 	> 
> 	> which is generally translated "thou shalt surely die"
> 	> 
> 	> * is this a fairly certain translation? could it be taken
> unidiomatically?
> 
> 	I'm not sure what you mean by "unidiomatically" since it's a 
> 	common Hebrew idiom; "going you shall go," "dying you shall die," 
> 	"loving you shall love" etc.  It's a Hebrew way of emphasizing the 
> 	sureness of something: "this will most definitely happen" or "you 
> 	will most certainly do this."  We see a similar construction in 
> 	Jonah 1 where the sailors "feared a great fear."  As my first-year 
> 	Hebrew teacher said so many many years ago, "feared a fear" is 
> 	emphatic enough, but when you add "great" it probably means 
> 	some of them had to go change their underwear.  Using cognate 
> 	forms like this was a "normal" (whatever that word means) way that 
> 	Hebrew strengthened the force of something like "die."
> 
> 	> * does the construct appear elsewhere in Scripture?
> 
> 	All over the place.
> 
> 	> * does anyone respectable champion another reading?
> 
> 	Not that I am aware of.  No one unrespectable that I've seen either 
> 	;-)
> 
> 
> 	Dave Washburn
> 	http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
> 	"Éist le glór Dé."
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