[B-Greek] Rm 9:7a Seed of Abraham or Children of Abraham

Juan Stam juanstam at racsa.co.cr
Sat Apr 29 16:22:19 EDT 2006

Greetings from Costa Rica:

Harold and Doug: I think the omission of Dan and Ephraim from Rev 7 needs
some other explanation. Were they the only tribes to bring idols into
Israel?  Testament of Dan describes Dan's apostasy but also their
forgiveness and restoration.  In the territorial list of Ezq 48. the tribe
of Dan is in first place and Ephraim is also included. Most of the tribes
listed in Rev 7 no longer existed. John of Patmos seems to have tampered
with his list on purpose, so that his readers/listeners would not take it
literally. In literal terms, it would be impossible for twelve distinct
tribes to each have exactly the same population of 12 thousand. In fact,
Judah alone (I understand) had considerable more than 12,000, and Benjamín
perhaps fewer.

Juan Stam, Costa Rica

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In a message dated 4/29/2006 1:01:14 PM Central Daylight Time, 
hholmyard at ont.com writes:

> HH: Romans 9:7 for the basic text, and Gen 21:12 for the OT reference.
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard

Hi Harold,

I guess I knew that.  What threw me off was the use of Isaac, instead of 
Jacob in the descussion.  There is more evidence in Scripture to support
Jacob adopted and blessed the two sons of Joseph and cut Reuben from the 
first-born blessing  for being a bad boy (smile), and God cuts Dan and
Ephraim off 
for bringing idols into Israel (see that they are not sealed with the twelve

tribes in Revelation).

Rev. Doug Pickrel, Litt.D.
Tejas Valley
San Antonio, Texas
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