Bryant J. Williams III bjwvmw at
Wed Oct 17 13:48:13 EDT 2001

Dear Stirling:

Since Peter is a Hebrew-Christian, I suspect that "synthetic parallelism"
is being used. In fact, the chapter and verse division, obscures the
connection, the contrast, with 1:20-21. Thus, "true prophets" spoke and
wrote by the Agency of the Holy Spirit, not by their own will and
interpretation, in contrast with the "false prophets" = "false teachers" who
spoke and wrote, by means of their own motives, teaching "heresies" without
the Agency the Holy Spirit.

Furthermore, would not EN + Dative be more of a locative use, since the idea
is one "in the midst of the people," or "among the people"(KJV,NIV), and "in
the midst of you" or "among you," respectively?

En Xpistw,

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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From: c stirling bartholomew <cc.constantine at>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:21 AM
Subject: [b-greek] Fronting

> on 10/16/01 1:45 AM in another thread RE: Jn.3:15,16 PISTEUW EN
>  Iver Larsen wrote:
> > It is
> > also important to note the semantic strength of the verb. The copula
> > usually comes very late in the sentence - if it occurs at all - because
> > is inherently without much semantic content. If it is used as a verb of
> > existence or is stressed it may well come first in the clause.
> Iver,
> I read your last post and Alex Hopkins' (RE: Jn.3:15,16 PISTEUW EN) with
> great interest. Now I would like to address "fronting" as a isolated
> My problem with "fronting" is that every time I pick up the GNT counter
> examples start leaping off the pages. This morning it was 2Pt 2:1:
> Here we have clause initial EGENONTO which has low semantic content just
> like ESTIN. But in narrative EGENONTO is very often toward the front of
> clause. This has something (what?) to do with narrative discourse patterns
> but I don't think it has anything to do with the level of semantic content
> (a completely different issue than relative prominence).
> Now note the position of EN TWi LAWi relative to the verb and contrast it
> the position of EN hUMIN relative to ESONTAI. Are we to conclude from this
> that EN hUMIN is more prominent than EN TWi LAWi? This is possible but I
> have lingering doubts. I think that Peter's administrative assistant is
> pulling a little semi chaisim here.
> Finally what is the one word in this verse with the most significant
> semantic content and also the most discourse prominence? The word is
> YEUDODIDASKALOI. What is its position? Dead last.
> Thanks for all the discussion.
> Friendly greetings to everyone,
> Clay
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