[SM-Discuss] ISO 0.10.0-test4 is released
colin childs
phoul at sourcemage.org
Tue Oct 7 10:52:53 EDT 2008
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM, flux <flux at sourcemage.org> wrote:
> Arjan Bouter (abouter at sourcemage.org) wrote [08.10.06 21:29]:
> > I started updating netconf to make it write a valid
> /etc/network/interfaces
> > file but on IRC i was told that was a waste of time as the smgl users can
> > configure their networking manually.
> >
> > Shall I continue my work on netconf or does anyone know of an existing
> tool to
> > replace it with?
> >
> > >
> > > Imho, some default /etc/network/interfaces should be installed. Copy of
> > > /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces or just :
> > > auto eth0
> > > iface eth0 inet dhcp
> >
> > I agree, even if only as an example.
> > Maybe add an example (commented out) for static networking.
> >
> > That should get 99% of the 1st time users online pretty quickly.
>
> According to David Kowis (quote from IRC): "god damnit, man interfaces".
> I agree with him, but I'm also not opposed to someone working on fixing
> netconf to work with the new stuff. Having a tool people can use is fine
> in my opinion, so long as it doesn't get in the way of people editing
> things with a text editor. I present the analogy of sorcery: it has the
> ncurses menu system as a UI, but you can also just hack up the sorcery
> configs in a text editor quite easily. I don't think anyone is opposed
> to having both options with sorcery, and I think as long as netconf is
> done right (so that we really have _both_ options), no one will complain
> if you do the extra work.
>
> > Can we look for, or make an educated guess about, the spells needed
> during
> > install? Like checking mounted filesystems, use of lvm and things like
> that?
> > This way we keep the installation as small as possible while keeping the
> iso
> > usable in pretty much every scenario.
>
> This might be possible in the future, but doesn't even make sense right
> now. Currently there are *no* optional spells, as we don't have the
> infrastructure in place for dealing with optional installation material.
> That's in development, but it probably won't be out for the first stable
> that I produce, since right now getting a stable out the door to replace
> the festering 0.9.6.3 is a little more pressing than getting one that
> has everything we want it to. Since there are no optional spells,
> detecting what the user would want installed wouldn't make sense because
> they would still just be untarring one big system.tar.bz2 anyway.
>
> In terms of the future though, I don't know if it would be a good idea
> to autodetect like this, even if we could. It would mean that we are
> pushing suggestions onto the SA based on the hardware seen at the time
> of install, and what filesystems they have. What if they know they will
> be plugging in an external harddrive later that they will need to
> interface with? We can't detect that sort of thing, and installing only
> the tools for the filesystems on their system would mean they wouldn't
> be able to interface with the external disk until they cast those tools.
> I think ultimately we should just provide the spells on the ISO and let
> the SA determine everything. Eventually we may even want to make gcc an
> "optional" spell for embedded systems (gasp!). This is for much later
> though.
>
> --
> Justin "flux_control" Boffemmyer
> Cauldron wizard and general mage
> Source Mage GNU/Linux
> http://www.sourcemage.org
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> Well everyone, Ive officially decided to join flux in cauldren, Also this
is my first post to the mailing list ever (Or any mailing list) so if i did
it wrong i apologize, but im just making it public that i will be assisting
him and rolling out my own iso's in the near future, Look forward to that =)
or dread it...
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