[smgl] Re: [SM-Discuss] udev.permissions

Arjan Bouter abouter at sourcemage.org
Sun Feb 13 15:18:14 EST 2005


On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:44:00 +0100
Flavien Bridault <f.bridault at fra.net> wrote:

> Well I just commited the warning and the config file example...
> 
> The last changes of udev spell highlight some problems for me...
> 
> I really appreciate the help of general gurus, however, I would like to be 
> informed of the changes they made in my section. Yes, you read well, disk 
> section is maintained !!! ;-p
> I think there are enough bugs in others sections (1 in disk, about 230 in the 
> rest of the grimoire), and especially in the unmaintained sections, to give 
> enough work for all general gurus ;-p
> 
> Well, I didn't have to complain before... In general, nothing has caused 
> problems. Why this time ??
> *Three* general gurus have modified the udev spell in three days :
> 	- updated the spell to 0.51, ok....
> 	- modified udev.rules to match new version, ok....
> 	- then first bug, but quickly corrected by a general guru, almost before

I apologise for editing the udev spell without letting you know, I just happened
to be around on #sourcemage when the 1st user ran into trouble after updating
his box. Which forced me to make a choice: either downgrade the spell to the
previous version or apply an 'emergency fix'.

A bad call it might have been, but it seemed better than waiting for more users
to boot into a dead udev...

> 	
> reporting... Well that was not too serious... 
> (http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8215)
> 	- second bug then, corrected by your disk section maintainer (thanks to
> 	Paul 
> Mahon) http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8216
> 
> But the most serious problem is that users *have not been informed* of the 
> config files changes !!! Some of them complain on IRC of having spent hours 
> to find why they have troubles with their boxes !!! A simple warning message, 
> as I just did, should have been sufficient... 
> I find this is really not very serious to made such a change on a so important
> 
> spell, without any notification... Please stop think that *everybody* read 
> the ML or IRC channels...

Shouldn't we at least expect the gurus to read the mailing lists? If they did
this would never had happened:

	From: Arwed von Merkatz
	To: sm-discuss at lists.ibiblio.org
	Subject: [SM-Discuss] udev changes coming soon
	Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:09:00 +0100

This mail warned us well in advance that this would happen...

> 
> Well I hope I didn't made all general gurus my ennemies, all I want to have, 
> is more communication. It is true that I'm not all time on IRC, but you can 
> still mail me. Don't forget that when you made changes that cause a bug, this 
> is the section maintainer who have to correct your bug. 
> 
> I think I'm not a too bad guru, so please give me some truth... I could have 
> done the udev update by myself. 
> If you want to maintain it by yourself, please tell me. (or move it to another
> 
> section, I still don't understand why udev is in disk section, as it is not 
> restricted to "disks" :-p )
> 
> Thanks in advance, I hope my words will be not misunderstood and that we can 
> now work better together. :-)

Sounds good to me :) 
And I've got only one thing to add, please test spells before submitting them ;)

Arjan
(abouter)

> -- 
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> Source Mage GNU/Linux - Disk Guru
> 
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