[permaculture] FW: New rocket mass heater kickstarter

Chris Lumpkin clumpkin at gmail.com
Thu Mar 12 20:52:36 EDT 2015


I live a happy, content, peaceful existence by following some of the
guidelines I mentioned earlier, and one more to add is this: I concern
myself with policing my own behavior, and leave others to do as they will
(in my absence, if I find them toxic). Whatever you think about Paul or
anyone else's behavior, there is no value added by complaining and
name-calling in an attempt to "warn" others. This is a faction war, and I'm
not fighting in it. I see people responding to what they perceive as
selfish or rude behavior with... selfish and rude behavior.

If I were choosing sides, no one is being called a "fat slob" on
Permies.com. That kind of belittling and abusive language should be
moderated, and certainly would be if it were directed at this list owner
I'm sure! So, are there ethics here that apply to everyone?
On Mar 12, 2015 6:53 PM, "Joseph Wright via permaculture" <
permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

> I don't really know much about whether Paul Wheaton would protect someone
> from bad mouthing me or not but I certainly know he can make petty
> decisions regarding people he personally doesn't care for. I don't know if
> any of you followed the Reddit drama from a few years go but he
> systematically went through various subreddits(basically different forums
> in case you don't know the reddit jargon) that he was a moderator for and
> banned people from each of them. This usually originated from a comment
> that someone would make in /r/permaculture but he took it upon himself to
> take matters into his own hands beyond the scope of that subreddit and
> preemptively ban people in other subreddits. I think he was eventually
> banned from Reddit and was certainly removed  as moderator for those
> subreddits. I don't trust the guy one damn bit and I have had a distaste
> for his actions and his manipulative control over reddit and from what I
> hear his manipulative control over his forums. He technically has the right
> to control those forums since he owns them but I personally consider it
> immoral considering how he is able to manipulate the message of
> permaculture by doing so.
> It's really unfortunate that the largest permaculture forums on the
> internet is controlled by one of the most seemingly manipulative and
> controlling people within the permaculture community.
>
> Here is a subreddit specifically created concerning Paul Wheaton's actions
> on Reddit if you want to read more. Paul Wheaton Watch * /r/PaulWheatonWatch
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>       From: Chris Lumpkin <clumpkin at gmail.com>
>  To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
>  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:35 PM
>  Subject: Re: [permaculture] FW: New rocket mass heater kickstarter
>
> If you haven't learned this yet from your commune with nature:
>
> - Water what you want to grow. Put your energy into what you love, not what
> you hate.
>
> - Bring an open mind, joy, love, and tolerance to your dealings with
> others. Be prepared to listen to ideas you don't like or agree with.
>
> - If you engage in argument or criticism, do it constructively and use
> logic and reason to make your points, not personal attacks.
>
> - Remember: we all can grow and change. The person you hated yesterday may
> not exist any longer, and now who's the fool?
>
> - "Resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to
> die."
>
> I hope I am offending the right people when I say, I am sick of hearing
> people on this list malign others in the community. All the whining and
> complaining about those you perceive as "ruining permaculture" with
> capitalism, or by being charlatans and stealing your money...
>
> Don't give them your money.
>
> Don't give them your time.
>
> Recognize that your personal resentments are not aligned with permaculture
> principles, and many people who do practice those principles may disagree
> with you about the best way to bring those principles to others.
>
> You may not like Paul Wheaton, but he would never let someone bad-mouth you
> on his forums.
>
> Please consider "taking the high road", and working out your resentments
> and bitterness in a more appropriate, maybe even private, space.
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris Lumpkin
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steve Hart <
> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Scott....is this coming from  the same energy that was exposed
> > some
> > > time ago about a previous campaign where people lost out ?
> > >
> >
> > Exactly the same source, Paul Wheaton. You should see that one in action
> in
> > a video about, get this, Wheaton Labs;
> > big fat pompous slob now introducing himself as just "Paul", probably
> name
> > change to protect the guilty. He has finally arrived, #2 permaculture
> used
> > car salesman, the odious vlad #1. All working against everything we
> believe
> > to be real,
> > authentic and worthwhile in permaculture. Wheaton is trying to 1) make
> lots
> > of money off permaculture and fools 2)  create a faux permaculture
> movement
> > 3) work against everyone we respect in the permaculture movement 4) apply
> > witheringly horrible and odious ayn rand philosophy to the permaculture
> > movement ["help Paul with his conspiracy to rule the world"].
> >
> > Enough of that garbage
> >
> > >
> > > Steve Hart
> > >
> > > On 13 March 2015 at 05:02, Scott Pittman <scott at permaculture.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This came to my email unsolicited with no link to unsubscribe.  I
> have
> > a
> > > > deep suspicion of anyone who keeps piling on the goodies to sell me
> > > > something.  I'm surprised there is no Batman mask and a Green Lantern
> > > ring.
> > > >
> > > > This is the most odious form of capitalism and it contaminates
> > > > permaculture.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > "To change something build a new model that makes the existing model
> > > > obsolete"  Buckminster Fuller
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: paul wheaton [mailto:forums at permies.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:37 PM
> > > > To: paul wheaton
> > > > Subject: New rocket mass heater kickstarter
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > You are getting this email because you are registered for the forums
> at
> > > > permies.com. I think it has been about a year since I have sent you
> > all
> > > an
> > > > email!
> > > >
> > > > I have a kickstarter that has an update for my rocket mass heater
> DVDs.
> > > Not
> > > > only are the new DVDs professionally videoed with professional sound,
> > > but I
> > > > want to make sure that my kickstarter supporters get FAR more goodies
> > > than
> > > > the people that get into this stuff later.
> > > >
> > > > For this new kickstarter I've made it so that for just $1 you get:
> > > >
> > > > - a micro documentary about rocket mass heaters
> > > > - 19 podcasts about rocket mass heaters (25 hours)
> > > > - (optional) public thanks
> > > >
> > > > For $2 you get that plus:
> > > >
> > > > - Full "how to plans" for the beautiful "bonny" rocket mass heater
> > > > (currently selling for $25)
> > > > - The Rocket Mass Heater in a Greenhouse plans (not yet released)
> > > > - The Permaculture Playing Cards eBook
> > > > - Podcasts 201-280
> > > >
> > > > For $3 you get that plus:
> > > >
> > > > - pdf "3 Stoves for $3 or Less"
> > > > - album "Permaculture: A Rhymer's Manual" by Formidable Vegetable
> > > >
> > > >  At $5 you get that plus:
> > > >
> > > > - The streaming version of the full DVD "Fire Science"
> > > > - Access to the permies.com secret inner circle
> > > >
> > > >  And more and more and more until you can get all four of the full
> > length
> > > > DVDs as a download (plus everything listed above) for $40.
> > > >
> > > > If nothing else, please check out the video for this - I think it
> > turned
> > > > out
> > > > really good!
> > > >
> > > > The thread about it at permies, complete with video, pictures,
> comments
> > > and
> > > > more:
> > > >
> > > > http://permies.com/t/44266
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sign up for my daily-ish email, or my devious plots for world
> > > > domination:  http://richsoil.com/email
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > sent to forum user scott at permaculture.org
> > > >
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