[permaculture] Vicktor Schauberger

Steve Hart stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
Mon Feb 9 13:51:14 EST 2015


Yes LL...I have mentioned to many deaf ears that International Permaculture
Conferences could better serve the wider domains of Permaculture by having
a Technology Fair attached to focus on all these worlds and develop them.
Throughout history it seems there is a huge amount of potential technology
opened up but off course shut down quickly by the industries that make
money out of their existing worlds. Look no further than the pertrochem
industry

Steve Hart

On 9 February 2015 at 08:55, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any love for Vicktor Schauberger?
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> http://www.reddit.com/r/Permaculture/comments/2v7k6l/any_love_for_vicktor_schauberger/
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> Any love for Vicktor Schauberger?
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> http://www.reddit.com/r/Permaculture/comments/2v7k6l/any_love_for_vicktor_schauberger/
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> (self.Permaculture <http://www.reddit.com/r/Permaculture/>)
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> submitted 13 hours ago * by iofthebeholder
> <http://www.reddit.com/user/iofthebeholder>
>
> Recently I've been reading through Bill Mollison's *Permaculture Designers
> Manual* and Dave Jacke's *Edible Forest Gardens*, awesome stuff. Very many
> of the concepts and diagrams strongly remind me of the theories and work of
> Vicktor Schhauberger, just wondering if others here in /r/permaculture
> <http://www.reddit.com/r/permaculture> are aware of Schauberger's works?
>
> I read a book called *Hidden Nature : The Startling Insights of Vicktor
> Schauberger* by Alick Bartholomew, which described Schauberger's theories
> and the technological devices he designed and demonstrated in some detail.
> Quite frankly the content of this book blew my mind repeatedly with
> unconventional yet self-evidently intuitive insights about natural systems.
> Much of the work comes down to the idea that a vortex (rotational spinning
> + directionality) is synergistically more than the sum of it's parts, how
> human technology channeling water into vortex shaped paths can perform the
> exact same functions as combustion-based technology while actually
> invigorating nature rather than destroying it.
>
> I intend to read some more books about Schauberger to refresh my memory,
> but some things I do recollect :
>
> • Schauberger wasn't just some crackpot theorist, he actually worked for
> the Prussian government as a senior hydro-engineer and several times
> humiliated the academics of his day who regarded him as a kook by
> demonstrating devices that simply worked as he described, despite this
> running contrary to mainstream thought.
>
> • For example : when water flows across a downward sloping surface, why
> does it form standing ripples instead of flowing smoothly at a constant
> depth? Schauberger believed water desires to breathe, pulse, and swirl in
> vortexes, and that human plumbing and hydrological constructions could be
> improved by taking this into account. Contemporary scientists ridiculed him
> for this, but he got the last laugh when he invited them to a public
> demonstration of a new type of water pipe he invented. Rather than the
> standard cylindrical shape, Schauberger's pipe rhythmically expanded and
> contracted in diameter down it's entire length and had spiral grooves
> etched into the narrowest points, so the water was encouraged to pulse and
> spin in vortexes as it flowed through. Newspapers reported scientists in
> attendance begrudgingly admitted that although they could not explain why,
> it indeed seemed Schauberger's pipe reduced friction drag in the pipe to
> zero, a measurably better performance than typical cylindrical pipe.
>
> • Schauberger was highly critical of combustion-based technologies, on the
> grounds it's counterproductive to intentionally move from a highly ordered
> state (ancient petroleum at rest) to a chaotically disordered one (waste
> heat and unstable gases). He believed nature by contrast works almost
> exclusively through processes that are silent and highly efficient, which
> build complexity by moving in spirals. He believed humanity should abandon
> combustion to mimic nature's methods instead, and demonstrated functional
> work-performing engines operating via principles of implosion, vacuum, and
> cooling vortexes. He believed if human civilization continued to use
> destructive energy sources like fossil fuels + combustion engines there was
> simply no way to avoid manifesting an inherently destructive civilization
> that would damage the natural world it existed in.
>
> • 39 degrees. One interesting aspect of water : it reaches peak volumetric
> density at 39 degrees fahrenheit, physically expanding from there in either
> direction whether cooling or warming. Modern hydrological engineering
> doesn't take much account of water temperature, but Schauberger believed
> water will naturally move toward 39 degrees in any circumstance and that
> subtle temperature gradients have a significant hydro-siphon effect. This
> for example explains why building a shade structure over a natural spring
> keeps the water flowing and will even make dried up springs flow again if
> shade had previously been removed, whereas exposure to wind and sunlight
> can discourage water from surfacing and cause a spring to dry up.
>
> • So, so much more. I remember some deep insight into the role played by
> trees in the planetary water cycle as well, and lots of other concepts that
> seemed intuitively self-evident, major "ah ha!" moments.
>
> In the end WWII came along and Schauberger (an Austrian) was forcibly
> conscripted by the Nazis to develop war technology. He evidently worked on
> UFO saucer type vehicles operating on vortex principles, of which some
> drawings and technical diagrams survive. Near the end when the Russian army
> approached the German commander of the facility where Schauberger labored
> decided to destroy the facility and retreat rather than let anything fall
> into enemy hands. After the war Schauberger was maligned as a Nazi
> sympathizer (he was actually a spiritualist whose convictions ran totally
> contrary to Nazi ideology) and never received the kind of major funding
> Kaiser Wilhelm's government had previously granted him again. Some
> "investors" claiming an interest in commercially developing his patents
> lured him to Houston, TX and made a deal for ownership of the associated
> intellectual property. The ideas were never commercially developed, but
> fortunately many of Schauberger's technical drawings, writings, and notes
> have survived and a few authors have attempted to draw attention to them.
>
> Anyways I remember feeling super inspired by the wisdom and knowledge
> Schauberger expressed. I think his ideas and inventions dovetail perfectly
> with Permacultural concepts and it seems long overdue they should receive
> wider recognition. Would love to see him more visibly celebrated as an
> eco-technology pioneer so his theories and designs can play a more
> significant role in curbing humanity's destructiveness and elevating
> civilization to conscious partnership with the living world. Anyone else
> out there inspired by Schauberger's insights or incorporating them into
> their permacultural designs?
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