[permaculture] Sth East Asian Regional Conference

Steve Hart stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
Mon Jul 16 04:52:34 EDT 2012


Hi guys

Great to see so much energy being offered here to assist Idy Wong to
realise the wider networks of Permaculture throughout SEAsia and to
hopefully have a good representation from as many as possible throughout
the region. This point alone was my reason for initiating this dialogue.
But before anyone leaps into action to create such communication vehicles
mooted please communicate with Idy Wong in the first instance and seek her
support and guidance on this. She is the overall convenor of the event and
through respect alone must be included in all activity. Not only respect
but for simple clear full and open communication. Its always good to know
what the left hand is up to while the right hand is beavering away..isn't
it ? Steve Hart

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Daniel Jager <dfjager at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Just a short reply since I am very busy this week.
>
> I am willing to take up admin/moderation of the pcseasia google discussion
> group. I'll get the hang if it coming weekend.
>
> My idea is: why not have both: Facebook and Google groups page.
>
> I am not so much a person of "reaching out", and doing events or similar
> things. I think the Facebook page would be ideal for that. And Felicity
> could manage / organize this?!?
>
> If the google group page gets linked in the facebook page, it will get
> exposure. So for those who just want some info on events, etc, they can
> stay on the facebook page. If they want to share experiences / info that
> can be searched on topic, etc, specifically related to pc practices in
> seasia, then the group page is best.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Daniel
>
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:18:15 +0800
> > From: "Felicity Wright" <flickwright at ozemail.com.au>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Sth East Asian Regional
> > Conference
> > To: "permaculture" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >     <8bab20d107b8470b088843d523596f7a9a4f8f08 at webmail.iinet.net.au>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Thanks Lawrence
> > Probably better if someone else is administrator - if Daniel
> > would
> > like to be or you are happy to stay on I'me fine with
> > that.?
> > Will post the link to the Google Group on the FB page so
> > people can
> > migrate there if they want.
> > When I tried to access the groups I had to set up a gmail
> > account.
> > best wishesflick??
> >  Felicity Wright Management Advisor Live & Learn
> > Cambodia +855 (0) 77
> > 319 018 skype: flick.wright
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "permaculture"
> > To:"permaculture"
> > Cc:
> > Sent:Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:15:32 -0400
> > Subject:Re: [permaculture] Sth East Asian Regional
> > Conference
> >
> >  On 7/15/2012 5:43 AM, venaurafarm wrote:
> >  > On 7/15/2012 2:54 AM, Felicity Wright wrote:
> >  >> Hi guys
> >  >> Ok, I am not a tech savvie person (didn't learn to
> > use a computer
> >  >> until I was 26). Prior to setting up the
> > Permaculture SE Asia
> > facebook
> >  >> page I asked on this site for suggestions about
> > how to go about
> > it.
> >  >> Got none.
> >  >> After I set it up (because many permies are on FB
> > and it's a
> > something
> >  >> I know how to use) and then notified the list LL
> > told me that I
> > could
> >  >> consider using Google+.
> >
> >  > I will try to set up a Google+ public page for it
> > though I think
> > that
> >  > any participation in Google resources requires a
> > Google or GMail
> > account
> >  > or some sort of openID account or ID. That's really no
> > more
> > difficult
> >  > than subscribing to this PC list; upside is that those
> > resources
> > used
> >  > can be made viewable by the public or made private if
> > desired.
> >
> >  Non-gmail accountholders may still be able to subscribe to
> > a Google
> >  Group Someone needs to try and let us know.
> >
> >  > I like Google Groups. They are straightforward forums
> > which can
> > accept
> >  > file/image attachments. They can have multiple owners.
> > You can
> > mirror
> >  > posts in a blog with same name as group, add also a
> > Google Site and
> >  > Google Docs for additional functions.
> >
> >  I just set up pcseasia (short names are good). It is
> > located here:
> >
> >  pcseasia (Permaculture Southeast Asia)
> >  https://groups.google.com/group/pcseasia
> >
> >  I have invited Felicity and Daniel to join and can make
> > either/both
> >  owners of the forum.
> >
> >  This is easy to use and offers many useful functions. Of
> > "everything
> > out
> >  there" I think this is the best, in a way better than
> > ibiblio,
> >  who now sends those wanting a forum at ibiblio to Google
> > Groups.
> >
> >  I have it configure to be open to the public for message
> > archive
> > viewing
> >  though post require that you be a member. Anyone can join
> > the group
> >  though I can change that to by-invitation-only. Let me know
> > if anyone
> >
> >  has questions or suggestions about this resource.
> >
> >  LL
> >  I am subscribed as lfljvenaura at gmail.com
> > and
> > venaurafarm at bellsouth.net.
> >
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> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:51:14 -0500
> > From: Bob Waldrop <bob at bobwaldrop.net>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Sth East Asian Regional
> > Conference
> > To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Message-ID: <5002AEB2.2090902 at bobwaldrop.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > I belong to and manage quite a few mailing lists and they
> > are great for
> > long and sustained conversations.
> >
> > But for reaching out to, finding, and engaging new people,
> > Facebook is
> > without peer at the present time.  As of MAy 2012, it
> > has 900 million
> > users, which means that individuals using FB are potentially
> > open to
> > meeting and engaging likeminded souls among nearly a billion
> > people.
> >
> > Facebook is great for organizing meetings and events.
> >
> > Facebook is not great for long and sustained discussions.
> >
> > It is an appropriate tool for what it is.  Mailing
> > lists like this one
> > are appropriate tools for what they are.
> >
> > People who don't want to meet new people should avoid
> > Facebook. People
> > who do want to meet and engage new people, who perhaps never
> > would have
> > found them otherwise, should use Facebook.
> >
> > Generally, I think organizations need --
> >
> > + a website,
> > + a mailing list discussion group,
> > + a Facebook page, and
> > + a Twitter account
> >
> > assuming you want to aggressively participate in the public
> > conversation
> > out there.  Each of these four platforms has its own
> > strengths,
> > weaknesses, uses, and potential populations.
> >
> > Bob Waldrop, OKC
> > http://www.bobwaldrop.net | www.okie.coop |
> > www.bettertimesinfo.org |
> > www.energyconservationinfo.org |
> > http://www.facebook.com/bobwaldrop
> > http://www.facebook.com/prairierosepermaculture
> > runningonempty2 at yahoogroups.com
> > (7400+ members discussing peak oil since
> > 2001)
> > Tweets @bobwaldrop
> >
> >
> > On 7/15/2012 4:43 AM, venaurafarm wrote:
> > > On 7/15/2012 2:54 AM, Felicity Wright wrote:
> > >> Hi guys
> > >> Ok, I am not a tech savvie person (didn't learn to
> > use a computer
> > >> until I was 26). Prior to setting up the
> > Permaculture SE Asia facebook
> > >> page I asked on this site for suggestions about how
> > to go about it.
> > >> Got none.
> > >> After I set it up (because many permies are on FB
> > and it's a something
> > >> I know how to use) and then notified the list LL
> > told me that I could
> > >> consider using Google+.
> > > Apart from the useless interface Facebook requires that
> > anyone reading
> > > content, i.e. your PC SE Asia FB Group be a member of
> > Facebook. Many
> > > will not be willing to go that route in order to
> > participate.
> > >
> > > It would be more than appropriate to use this list for
> > your group though
> > > posts will get mixed in with everything else.
> > >
> > > I will try to set up a Google+ public page for it
> > though I think that
> > > any participation in Google resources requires a Google
> > or GMail account
> > > or some sort of openID account or ID. That's really no
> > more difficult
> > > than subscribing to this PC list; upside is that those
> > resources used
> > > can be made viewable by the public or made private if
> > desired.
> > >
> > > I like Google Groups. They are straightforward forums
> > which can accept
> > > file/image attachments. They can have multiple owners.
> > You can mirror
> > > posts in a blog with same name as group, add also a
> > Google Site and
> > > Google Docs for additional functions.
> > >
> > > I can set up a Google Group. What name would you
> > prefer:
> > > permacultureseasia or pcseasia or something else?
> > >
> > > LL
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 05:47:34 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Cory Brennan <cory8570 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Sth East Asian Regional
> > Conference
> > To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >     <1342356454.85959.YahooMailNeo at web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Unfortunately, I use facebook because I reach people I will
> > not reach anywhere else. And google+ is clunky, true. So is
> > facebook, but it still reaches more people. Twitter too. I
> > hope that some of these other sites become more user
> > friendly so more people use them. I signed up for diaspora,
> > added a bunch of friends, then lost my interface web site
> > name, and there is no way I'll ever find it again I guess.
> > Sigh. There is a trade off - reach more people regarding
> > permaculture? Or stop using facebook? Thanks for these
> > interesting comments - all food for thought.
> >
> > K
> >
> >
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> >  From: Heenan Doherty <heenandoherty at gmail.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Sth East Asian Regional
> > Conference
> >
> > G'day,
> > I would have thought that using a Facebook Event Page would
> > be a great
> > place from which to launch due to its ubiquity these days
> > including with
> > many in SE Asia with the notable exception of China. If you
> > want to manage
> > event bookings and attendees I'd recommend Eventbrite which
> > we've been very
> > happy with. It synchs in with various social media very well
> > and is great
> > for a non i-savvy person (which I consider myself to be) as
> > its all wizards
> > to set up and manage: it will even set up the FB page if
> > memory serves me
> > correctly. Shopify is another mob we've been using for
> > e-commerce and its
> > even easier but not as good as Eventbrite for event mgt.
> > Great to set up a
> > website where u are selling goods online however in our
> > experience but
> > others might have found otherwise. I personally find google
> > + clunky and I
> > think that's why FB is dominating the space currently.
> >
> > Linked to this thread somewhat is that IMO the premium folks
> > to mimic in
> > the marketing of Permaculture Edu services sector are
> > Milkwood
> > Permaculture. They have an excellent online presence and
> > strategy and their
> > reach is as good as anyone. They've worked hard at for some
> > years now, and
> > I often remark to folks that if you want to benchmark
> > someone in this field
> > then they are it. They do have i-savvy however but these
> > days it easier
> > than ever to do this stuff than it has been before thanks to
> > the
> > aforementioned marketing sites and the various social
> > media.
> >
> > Good luck and hope it sorts itself out.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Darren
> >
> > On Sunday, July 15, 2012, Felicity Wright wrote:
> >
> > > Hi guys
> > > Ok, I am not a tech savvie person (didn't learn to use
> > a computer
> > > until I was 26). Prior to setting up the Permaculture
> > SE Asia facebook
> > > page I asked on this site for suggestions about how to
> > go about it.
> > > Got none.
> > > After I set it up (because many permies are on FB and
> > it's a something
> > > I know how to use) and then notified the list LL told
> > me that I could
> > > consider using Google+.
> > > I had a look and just got confused.
> > > I responded and said that I am not very savvy in this
> > area and if
> > > anyone else out there in cyber land would like to set
> > up something for
> > > sharing information in SE Asia - excellent! no
> > problems! I have no
> > > desire to 'own' this and would just like to have us
> > sharing
> > > information.
> > > So, the offer is still there. I will migrate to some
> > other forum if
> > > someone out there wants to set it up.
> > > cheersflick
> > >? Felicity Wright Management Advisor Live & Learn
> > Cambodia +855 (0) 77
> > > 319 018 skype: flick.wright
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "permaculture"
> > > To:"permaculture"
> > > Cc:
> > > Sent:Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:17:48 -0400
> > > Subject:Re: [permaculture] Sth East Asian Regional
> > Conference
> > >
> > >? On 7/14/2012 9:29 PM, Daniel Jager wrote:
> > >? > I have some (for SEA rare) seedling trees to give
> > away for free. I
> > > live in the Bangkok area. I would like to share the
> > information. But I
> > > do not have a facebook account, nor do I wish to create
> > one just for
> > > this purpose.
> > >? >
> > >? > Would it be possible to start some other form of
> > info sharing, like
> > > a yahoo-group?
> > >? >
> > >
> > >? Hell no, not the awful yahoo. Nothing but problems
> > there.
> > >
> > >? Use this list.
> > >? Use Google resources and Google+ - no where near as
> > big a pain in the
> > >
> > >? ass to set up, maintain, back up and use as Farcehook.
> > Their comments
> > >
> > >? editor is the worst anywhere online. Farcehook is just
> > barely usable;
> > >? I use it only to stay in tough with a few friends but
> > the interface
> > > is a
> > >? farce, a joke.
> > >
> > >? LL
> > >? > Daniel
> > >? >
> > >? >>
> > >? >> Hi people
> > >? >> Just letting you know we've started a
> > Permaculture SE Asia
> > >? >> Facebook
> > >? >> page.
> > >? >> http://www.facebook.com/groups/142364735893114/
> > >
> > >? Why not use this list and/or start a Google+ circle
> > and page, or use
> > >? Permies.
> > >
> > >? >> I have posted the information from Idy - hope
> > that's ok?
> > >? >> cheersflick?
> > >? >> ?
> > >? >> Felicity Wright?Management Advisor Live &
> > Learn
> > >? >> Cambodia? +855 (0)
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