[permaculture] question on soil regeneration

Killian O'Brien admin at pri-de.org
Wed Nov 2 17:27:19 EDT 2011


The simplest solution (least change, max effect) if you have metals is to selectively grow plants that won't accumulate them into the edible parts of the plant. The accumulating plants can be taken off site and used to eventually reduce metals until you can compost in place safely.

Fruits, e.g., will accumulate some metals in the leaves but not the fruit itself. (I think.) Certain metals can be bound up when mixed with other elements, also. 

Others will have better details.

Cheers,

Killian O'Brien
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Dear all,


I hope you are well. I am writing because I have a recurrent question at this moment, kind of related to some of the permaculture designs I've been doing. We've been looking at community garden sites, and there are some industrial wastelands that are kind of on offer. So I wondered whether you have any experience with working with these kinds of polluted lands and how you'd go about dealing with them. Can you depollute them if they have heavy metals? are there any people dealing with that specifically that you know? (I know some people from Findhorn who are working to clean waters through biomimicry processes - Biomatrix - but none who work with soil regeneration in heavily polluted sites). where do you recommend I start my research in this area? 
Metta
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   1. More on Kickstarter (wenshidi at yahoo.co.uk)
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      corporate investment in agricultural enterprises on foreign soil
      affecting indigenous inhabitants of that land (Indonesia, Africa,
      Central & South America, elsewhere). (Lawrence London)
   3. Re: The Permaculture saying, "Prepare for Disaster" and the
      mo... (Douglas Woodard)
   4. Re: Salatian idea for edible college campuses    applied in real
      (david mattinson)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 02:57:11 +0000 (GMT)
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Subject: [permaculture] More on Kickstarter
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I was not initially going to subject list members to any shameless self promotion on our first small Kickstarter project, as it is only slightly Permaculture related, but it seems that the staff have taken a liking to the idea, so I wanted to share with you here.

Yesterday we were featured on top of the KS blog page.
?
http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/new-projects-are-living-forever

Even better news. The top item on the KS Facebook page is a link to the blog and the image they are using is the Mayan patch.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/800173688/2012-mayan-calendar-on-a-state-of-the-art-patch?ref=video

It just goes to show that if you have a project (however whacky it seems), KS is a great venue for getting things started.

Chris


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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:19:46 -0400
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Worst Food Additive Ever? It's in Half of All Foods We Eat and Its
Production Destroys Rainforests and Enslaves Children | | AlterNet
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Worst Food Additive Ever? It's in Half of All Foods We Eat and Its
Production Destroys Rainforests and Enslaves Children
The production of this ingredient causes jaw-dropping amounts of
deforestation (and with it, carbon emissions) and human rights abuses.
October 24, 2011  |

"On August 10, police and security for the massive palm oil
corporation Wilmar International (of which Archer Daniels Midland is
the second largest shareholder) stormed a small, indigenous village on
the Indonesian island of Sumatra. They came with bulldozers and guns,
destroying up to 70 homes, evicting 82 families, and arresting 18
people. Then they blockaded the village, keeping the villagers in --
and journalists out. (Wilmar claims it has done no wrong.)

The village, Suku Anak Dalam, was home to an indigenous group that
observes their own traditional system of land rights on their
ancestral land and, thus, lacks official legal titles to the land.
This is common among indigenous peoples around the world -- so common,
in fact, that it is protected by the United Nations Declaration on the
Rights of Indigenous Peoples"

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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 00:37:45 -0400
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Lawrence, what do you think would cause freezer burn from dry ice?

>From my reading the cause of freezer burn is primarily dehydration and 
secondarily oxidation, along with storage at temperatures above 0 
degrees F. Very cold local temperatures don't seem to have much if 
anything to do with it. A large part of the cure for meat is apparently 
wrapping to prevent dehydration. With grain I doubt there would be much 
of a problem with dry ice. I would expect exclusion of oxygen to be helpful.

If the Mormons recommend dry ice as Bob Waldrop says, their 
recommendation is probably based on a lot of practical experience. I 
would be inclined to take their word for it.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


On 10/31/2011 4:55 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

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> This sounds like the best way but unless some food-grade
> insulating barrier were put on top of the dry ice then beans or grain in
> direct contact with it might get "freezer burn" causing rot and eventual
> contamination of the whole container of dried food. Could this happen?


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G'day,I have been listening to a talk by David W. Orr that he did at Shumacher College this year. He works at the Oberlin College and was talking about food tat had been grown on campus in vege gardens and food trees, that were available to teachers and students. He is working on the Oberlin Project that he calls full spectrum sustainability, and works much like the transition town concept. He is an excellent communicatoron biological design, green buildings and environmental politics, worth looking into. David Mattinson                           

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> If the Mormons recommend dry ice as Bob Waldrop says, their
> recommendation is probably based on a lot of practical experience. I
> would be inclined to take their word for it.

Thanks for the input, folks. Thanks Doug - I second that. That settles  
it for me :-)
Georg



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