[permaculture] Nicholas permaculture generation gap
Woody Wodraska
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Thu Aug 26 06:39:59 EDT 2010
thanks Killian, yes what we share is top priority.
bb
Woody Wodraska
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On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:01 PM, Killian O'Brien wrote:
> Given I am a boomer, by some counts, at least, and probably in the
> last .0001 percentile being born at the tail end of '64, I hardly
> feel like a sellout! I'm a right proper liberal/never-done-drugs-but-
> come-from-a-drug-usin'-brood/stuck in 60's-70's rock/sometime
> longhair/A-B student/geek/teacher/entrepreneur/hate abortion-but-
> support-the-right/climate activist/doomer/see a pinprick of light
> down the tunnel/flat broke product of the Boomer Gen.
>
> And I think the idea that permaculture can be a movement or should
> be defined or governed or suffers some generational failings to be
> silly. Let it be what it is, people, which is different for us all.
> Fighting that is like fighting the tide. I've had conversations with
> Geoff Lawton and Bill Mollison (very short, via e-mail, and probably
> actually Lisa doing the typing, and perhaps the responding), and
> both were amazed and appalled (my specific words) at the false
> division between the practically minded and the more, shall we say,
> spiritually-minded, as well as the ultra-competitiveness, in the US.
>
> These conversations are interesting in the way a good dorm lobby
> debate was interesting in college: they help individuals hone their
> self-concept, beliefs, whathaveyou, but don't change much. I fall
> back to the obvious: a million permaculturists will result in a
> million permacultures. Just let it be, eh? What we share is what is
> important. The ethics and principles, as they are, with or without
> extension, are mind-bogglingly powerful. It's enough. We need not
> cram it into a form or stretch it to fit some ideal or ideology.
>
> Let those that wish to get rich doing this do so. Let those, that
> give it away, like me so far, do so. Don't work with them if you
> don't want to. God knows there are "permaculturists" that flat
> refuse to work with me. While it hurts, at the end of the day it
> can't matter. The work is the thing. Are there selfish, perhaps
> "bad" people doing PM? Undoubtedly. So? You gonna tie 'em down?
> Decertify them?
>
> We have powerful tools at our disposal and powerful knowledge. What
> divides us is so much esoterica.
>
> Just my 99 cents.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Killian O'Brien
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> ] On Behalf Of Jacque Greenleaf
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:14 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nicholas permaculture generation gap
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as sour and judgmental. I am
> genuinely curious - what experience(s) led the OP to the conclusion
> that boomers have all sold out? I mean, if there is nuance in that
> post or room for a gray area, I fail to see it.
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Woody Wodraska wrote:
>
>> Now Jacque who is it that is being sour and judgmental? It seems
>> this list is one attack after another I have watched this for
>> sometime now.
>> "Out beyond ideas of right doing and wrong doing there's a field,
>> I'll meet you there" Rumi
>>
>> what the hell is the good of this list if all you do is fight and
>> not be able to have any dialog or discussion at all?
>> bb
>> Woody Wodraska
>> wodraska at mac.com
>> http://www.soulmedicinejourney.com
>> Deep Gardening: Soul Lessons from 17 Gardens, Biodynamic
>> Memories now available at http://www.trafford.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000138866
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Jacque Greenleaf wrote:
>>
>>> I'm really curious, what experience have you had with people my
>>> age that has led you to be so sour and judgmental?
>>
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