[permaculture] WTF in 100 years
miltonics at midwestpermaculture.com
Fri Aug 20 13:09:34 EDT 2010
Dick, you echo my thoughts. I give up on these conversations pretty
quickly as they devolve. There doesn't seem to be much of value in them.
I wonder what internet communication would look like after 100 or 1000
years? If its still around I do hope it will be more civil and more
*Milton Dixon *
Midwest Permaculture <http://www.midwestpermaculture.com>
milton at midwestpermaculture.com <mailto:milton at midwestpermaculture.com>
On 8/20/2010 10:48 AM, Dick Pierce wrote:
> Linda, thanks for stirring this pot, this way - I am a product of a "boy's
> rules" culture, so much so that I do not think about it or realize it most
> of the time - sorry to hear that this is another facet of being an ugly
> American [male] but can see where it comes from and how it can be viewed
> that way.
> I find my self turning off more and more to the long, multi-author message
> strings on this web site - some of the content is only marginally of
> interest, but the tone of some and the knife-like swipes of many are
> irritating and counter productive, in my opinion.
> I have been involved in a couple of local conversations lately - from which
> I have withdrawn with considerable upset - where it became clear that the
> object was winning, or winning someone over to one's thinking/theory, and
> the tactics included: put-downs, insults, slander, louder and louder voices,
> more and more attacking, etc. I use this as a close-to-home analogy for some
> of the stuff I'm half-way reading on this listserve.
> Boys Rules or what ever it is may be OK in personal, in-person conversation
> between consenting adults/children - it's not, to me, in impersonal, remote,
> non-visible, non-consenting, don't-know-you-or-your-culture-very-well/at all
> mass communication. I like a Baha'i Faith saying that goes:"Let a kindly
> tongue be the lodestone of your heart." Another, source unknown: "Is this
> the best thing I can say/do in this situation, for the good/benefit of the
> largest number?" I like the concept of communication and dialogue for this
> listserve - far better than polarizing or winning a point or building a
> following. That's my wish/opinion.
> One question pops out at me - being a product of boy's/men's rules and
> American society and business,................what are "girl's rules" or
> "boy's/girl's" rules, and how does this play toward what I'd guess I'd like
> called "[compassionate, caring, nice, kind, inclusive, polite, constructive,
> learning/teaching, _____ ] adult rules? I'm serious in asking - I'd like
> very much to have such a list - perhaps I and others could merge/select from
> the two lists and be better people, communicators, and list-servers.
> I hope that I'll become a better listener for the great info and talent and
> knowledge and perspective of the many folks that tune in to and communicate
> on this listserve
> Dick Pierce - Martha's Vineyard, MA& Austin, TX
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM,<LBUZZELL at aol.com> wrote:
>> In a message dated 8/19/2010 12:09:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> slowfoodguy at yahoo.com writes:
>> Surely this artifact of paternal-lineaged, sky-god agriculture will pass
>> just as fast as our use of oil;o)
>> Thanks, slowfoodguy. Good food for thoughts...
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