[permaculture] climate change possibly irreversible
harvestcircle at hotmail.com
Tue Apr 27 14:17:13 EDT 2010
I agree, and unfortunately humans have a tendency for hubris, the assumption that they have deity-like powers, in this case thinking that they have the brain power to design technology to un-screw-up the mistakes from the last set of technologies that were going to save the world. Maybe if folks just spent time planting seed by hand, and gently cultivating the earth by hand, they would begin to get the message the earth offers them along with so much Abundance.
> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:33:56 -0400
> From: cschampagne at gmail.com
> To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] climate change possibly irreversible
> This may not be a popular idea to put forth to this group, but it seems
> important that we, the folks who are following in nature's path to create
> sustainable environments, pay attention to the larger picture of climate
> We are a small planet in a very large system, and that entire system is
> undergoing climate change now.
> I will follow this with links to sites that will corroborate the science
> behind this shortly, but I just want all to remember we're not working in a
> vacuum here.
> Yes, humans have screwed things up royally.
> But, we are only contributing to the larger cycles that occur naturally over
> very long time scales.
> Currently, we are experiencing influxes of gamma rays and other off-planet
> heater-uppers that are influencing the climates on every planet in our solar
> It seems to me that as we move through the next 25 years, we'll notice more
> of that going on and become more generally aware of the interrelationship
> among celestial bodies that is as intricate and beautiful and perfect as the
> natural relationships we find in nature on earth.
> Back shortly with links.
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > I really appreciate all the efforts that are being made to find ways to
> > sequester carbon (Darren Doherty's posts are always inspiring), and these
> > efforts make sense on a lot of levels, but I just want to put a reminder out
> > there that we need to pay attention to the latest science and not get overly
> > optimistic. While they are still duking it out, this NOAA report from over
> > a year ago denies the possibility of reversing climate change within any
> > reasonable time frame:
> > http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090126_climate.html
> > A new scientific study led by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
> > Administration reaches a powerful conclusion about the climate change caused
> > by future increases of carbon dioxide: to a large extent, there’s no going
> > back.
> > The pioneering study, led by NOAA senior scientist Susan Solomon, shows how
> > changes in surface temperature, rainfall, and sea level are largely
> > irreversible for more than 1,000 years after carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions
> > are completely stopped. The findings appear during the week of January 26 in
> > the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
> > Geoengineering to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere was not
> > considered in the study. “Ideas about taking the carbon dioxide away after
> > the world puts it in have been proposed, but right now those are very
> > speculative,” said Solomon.
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