[permaculture] Seeds to Haiti
kris kaul
kriskaul at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 19 00:47:48 EDT 2009
I suggest getting in touch with people at the Lambi Fund of Haiti. They work directly with agronomists in Haiti and have many nursery- and agriculture-related projects. One of their larger projects involves a "multiplication center" for distributions of local fruit-bearing trees. They are at http://www.lambifund.org/. Good luck!
Kris
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5. Re: Toby's post on Autumn olive (Ben Martin Horst)
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7. Re: Toby's post on Autumn olive (mIEKAL aND)
8. Seeds to Haiti? (Michael Snow)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:42:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia at yahoo.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Tending the Wild
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I just finished Tending the Wild, by Kat Anderson, and feel it is an essential text for permaculturists around the world, not just in California.? The idea that you can creat a garden of Eden and then just wack and few plants here and there while harvesting food ignores the dynamic and nonlinear nature of Nature.? Many plants respond to pruning and burning?by increasing their output, while many require it to stay free of pests and diseases.? I'm having to admit that many of the "rape and scrape" practices of conventional farming have good justifications, though I still believe we can find more sustainable and integrated ways of achieving the same goals.
?
As for Douglas-fir, was it in Cascadia after the ice age before the last ice age?? It's probably been coming and going for hundreds of thousands of years, no?
?
Rain
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:39:15 -0400
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Subject: [permaculture] Pc Intro & Manual Now Back In Stock!!
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/Introduction to Permaculture/ and /Permaculture, A Designer's Manual/
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:34:05 -0500
From: Marjory <forestgarden at gvtc.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Tending the Wild
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Hi Rain,
I just started 'Tending The wild" and am very excited about it. When
you mention
The idea that you can creat a garden of Eden and then just wack and few plants here and there while harvesting food ignores the dynamic and nonlinear nature of Nature.
Are you referring to Bill Mollisons video on Global gardening? As much
good as permaculutre puts forth, that video is so misleading, it is a
shame it is shown.
Marjory
Rain Tenaqiya wrote:
> I just finished Tending the Wild, by Kat Anderson, and feel it is an essential text for permaculturists around the world, not just in California. The idea that you can creat a garden of Eden and then just wack and few plants here and there while harvesting food ignores the dynamic and nonlinear nature of Nature. Many plants respond to pruning and burning by increasing their output, while many require it to stay free of pests and diseases. I'm having to admit that many of the "rape and scrape" practices of conventional farming have good justifications, though I still believe we can find more sustainable and integrated ways of achieving the same goals.
>
> As for Douglas-fir, was it in Cascadia after the ice age before the last ice age? It's probably been coming and going for hundreds of thousands of years, no?
>
> Rain
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:07:26 +1000
From: "Laurence Gaffney" <lgaffney at bigpond.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Urban/ Rural Footprint
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The following article - Is Humanity Fatally Successful? :-
http://www.scarp.ubc.ca/rees%20Is%20Humanity%20Fatally%20Successful.pdf
is by William E Rees co-originator of the Ecological Footprint approach in which he makes the following statement:-
"What eco-footprinting shows is that, in ecological terms, the Dutch don't live in Holland. Similarly, urban dwellers don't "live"in their cities; urbanization simply separates us from the productive ecosystems that sustain us but lie far beyond the urban boundary. An apt analogy is "the city as human feedlot." Like the city, a livestock feedlot is an area with an extraordinarily high density of consumer animals and a corresponding major waste management problem. Cities and feedlots are incomplete ecosystems - the productive land component is some distance away."
As I read this I thought of Toby Hemenway's thought provoking article of 2005 entitled Peal Oil and Urban Sustainability. http://patternliteracy.com/urban.html
Laurence Gaffney
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:09:56 -0700
From: Ben Martin Horst <ben.martinhorst at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Toby's post on Autumn olive
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Besides "Tending the Wild," an excellent text on native plant use and
ecological management in the Pacific Northwest is "Keeping it Living,"
edited by Douglas Deur and Nancy Turner. It may not touch directly on
distinctions between native and non-native plants or invasive and
non-invasive ones, but it does a great job at blurring the lines between
"wild" and "domesticated" species. The essays in the book hammered home for
me the realization that humans can live as an aloof, separate, domineering
species, or, as was the case for the native peoples of Cascadia, integral
keystone members of their ecosystems. Sure, there are species we shouldn't
plant willy-nilly, but humans can be pretty good at discerning where and
when a species makes a healthy partner to a local ecosystem. In my opinion,
autumn olives dotting the landscape here and there, helping heal the soil
and providing some awfully yummy berries for birds and humans, is vastly
preferable to the truly invasive "ecosystems" our culture has covered vast
areas with. I'm speaking, of course, of the vast monocropped stands of
maize, wheat, and other cereals.
Ben
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:00 AM, <lbsaltzman at aol.com> wrote:
> Somebody else was talking about leaving nature alone. Toby mentions how
> Northwest indigenous people burned forest to maintain praire.? It is worth
> pointing out that the indigenous people of North America rarely left nature
> alone. I always highly recommend M. Kat Anderson's Tending the Wild to
> understand how unwild the California landscape was, a fact that is true for
> many places on the planet. After Europeans arrived and displaced the
> California natives from the landscape, much of the landscape did go "wild",
> and many would argue it became?degraded from the managed landscape that was
> here before their arrival. What was here was well managed land optimized for
> the needs of both for humans and the animals they hunted.? I think the
> question is not whether we manage the landscape and introduce new plants and
> animals, but the intelligence with which we do it.
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:31:21 -0500
From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Toby's post on Autumn olive
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That would eliminate 95% of the fruit I grow in our permaculture
demonstration, except a few varieties of saskatoons...
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Dick Pierce <dickpiercedesigns at gmail.com>wrote:
> I'm musing of another
> IPM, Integrated Plant Management, where all other natural/native/local
> species are encouraged/used first , before a non-native/exotic is
> used/introduced.
>
> For what it's worth.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:08:38 -0400
From: Michael Snow <msnow at valley.net>
Subject: [permaculture] Seeds to Haiti?
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Hello Permaculture and SANET lists, a friend going to Haiti on a UN
mission (as human rights lawyer) asked me about taking seeds to
Haiti. Aside from commercial suppliers of seed, thoughts on this
topic, resources for her here and there? I'm interested in advice on
appropriate species, varieties, suppliers, resources...
Mike
Begin forwarded message:
>
> I have a question for you, as you are my resident expert on
> everything farming related. So, the more I read about Haiti, the
> more I think that food security and malnutrition is a huge issue.
> Instead of bringing gum or candy or pencils to hand out to kids, i
> was thinking I want to bring seeds for them to start gardens. But I
> want to make sure I'm not bringing some GM seeds that will fuck up
> their ecosystem and be unsustainable. So, I guess I am curious if
> you have a resource or supplier for seeds that you might
> recommend. I would like to bring little packets - is that how real
> farmers get them?
>
> let me know if you have any insight.
>
> thanks,
>
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